What that means, of course, is "the new research simply reinforced existing advice...Pregnant women should do their best to avoid all infections, especially flu."
The obvious conclusion? Pregnant women should run, not walk, to their nearest vaccination center.
But wait. It's not that simple.
An article in Associated Content makes the arguable statement:
As it has been abundantly proven, mercury and its derivatives are responsible for autism in children and many other neurological diseases, such as the Gulf War Syndrome. Mercury in its most common form - thimerosal- is put in almost all vaccines made available to the public, usually as a preservative. As it was recently unveiled by the Washington Post, many doses of the new H1N1 vaccine will be stored in multi dose vials which will contain thimerosal.CBS News echoes these fears:
A backlash against vaccines has picked up steam in recent years. A vocal minority fears vaccines can cause autism, despite consensus among experts that they don't. Now warnings are cropping up on the Web that the new H1N1 vaccine could be rushed to market without enough proof that it's safe.Autism-related blogs are digging deeply into the H1N1 vaccine development process, and finding a whole range of issues to worry about. Ginger Taylor, creator of the Adventures in Autism blog, puts it this way:
Vaccines are pharmaceutical products that carry a risk of injury or death and those risks are greater for some than others. 1 in 6 children in America is learning disabled18. 1 in 9 has asthma 1 in 150 develops autism. 1 in 450 has diabetes and millions more suffer with allergies and autoimmune disorders. Will the swine flu vaccine be safe for them?Taylor, among others, makes the point that, so far, swine flu in the US has been surprisingly mild. In fact, it's milder than many other strains of flu. She, and others, wonder whether the risk of the flu outweighs the risk of the vaccines.Although it is a good idea for health officials to prepare for a worst case scenario and stockpile vaccines, it is a bad idea to turn schools into medical clinics and basically test experimental swine flu vaccines on children first. Especially when nobody has any liability. That has the potential to hurt children instead of keeping them well.
Where are you on the issue of swine flu vaccine? Will you request it when it's available in early September? Will your children be among the first in line for protection against a potential epidemic?
There has never been a time in most of our recent history, that requires the attention, that this h1n1 flu deserves. As a parent, I WILL have my children vaccinated against this flu. There are more lives saved by vaccinating against an illness, rather than simply ignoring the facts…..Please don’t be swayed by alarmists about vaccine. Do your research and do the right thing.
Fox news gets it right for once. CBS should be ashamed. I’ll get the vaccine when my ped suggests. Though I’ll have to admit I like how they allude being sick while pregnant could cause autism. Only proven for rubella, I believe. But they get a good stab at mommy blaming in the process. Not surprising, coming from Fox.
“1 in 6 children in America is learning disabled 18. 1 in 9 has asthma 1 in 150 develops autism. 1 in 450 has diabetes and millions more suffer with allergies and autoimmune disorders.”
And we know vaccines are related to this how? Are we to believe those rates will get higher due to this vaccine?? Cancer is higher today too, is vaccines also related to that?
And from the Associated Content “thimerosal- is put in almost all vaccines made available to the public, usually as a preservative.”
That’s not true. It may be true of this vaccine but general yearly flu jabs come thimerosal-free.
I’m not really sure what H1N1 flu virus vaccine has to do with autism. It more has to do with flu vaccine choice than anything. I’d be more worried about the general public and side effects than autism being a side effect.
How about the lobby…
Top All-Time Donors 1989-2008
58 Pfizer Inc $13,201,017
67 GlaxoSmithKline $10,892,244
84 Eli Lilly & Co $8,979,924
96 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,282,437
All these companies donating money to the congress? And some call people lunatics for distrusting CDC because 2003 study has been dismissed and flawed, and other studies since been labeled biased due to conflict of interest? I wonder who is paying who to visit comment sections at times as I see it time and time again, people trying to discredit somebody asking one simple question – why is thimerosal still in the vaccines?
2004 study:
Conflicts of interest in new CDC Thimerosal study of 2004:
Dr. Thompson – former employee of Merck;
Dr. Marcy, receiving consulting fees from Merck, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and MedImmune;
Dr. Jackson, receiving grant support from Wyeth, Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, and Novartis, lecture fees from Sanofi Pasteur, and consulting fees from Wyeth and Abbott and serving as a consultant to the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee;
Dr. Lieu, serving as a consultant to the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices;
Dr. Black, receiving consulting fees from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, and Merck and grant support from MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Novartis;
and Dr. Davis receiving consulting fees from Merck and grant support from Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.
Does it really matter who donated to what and what conflict of interest does it hold? Does anyone think politically and medically the H1N1 flu virus poses no risks to people? H1N1 flu virus is also pretty much world-wide, but only the USA has this conflict of interest? Am I to believe creating a vaccine for this is a conflict of interest of who donated to what and who got what grant? And for those who think H1N1 flu virus is pretty mild in the USA, one should look it up. Those with other health issues can become seriously ill or die if they contract this flu. Those who were pregnant, forget about schizophrenia, one mother-to-be died and another was comatose. I’d think the motivation for this vaccine would be pure public-fear of a pandemic and this viruses potential to mutate.
As for the Thimerosal in flu vaccines, why not is the question many have. The removal of it has not proven to alter the rising diagnosis of autism in children.
Hello friends –
Simply having your immune system activated robustly during pregnancy can result in neurological changes in the offspring has a growing body of clinical evidence; it isn’t the mercury to worry about, but instead, the act of vaccination itself.
This study is a good example, but there are others:
Maternal Immune Activation Alters Fetal Brain Development through Interleukin-6
The authors went to great lenghts to demonstrate that it was the maternal immune response that was responsible for developmental trajectories in the offspring.
The generation of cytokines via vaccination is actually relatively poorly documented, but we do know that the influenza vaccination generates a surge in the same immune system messenger.
Effect of influenza vaccine on markers of inflammation and lipid profile
Of course, actually getting the swine flu carries the same problem, only it’s worse and has other complications. So the equation might be, if you get the vaccine you are sure to get an immune response, versus if you don’t get the vaccine, you might get the flu with the other associated problems. It might be helpful if the flu vaccine had a better than 30% efficacy outside of the lab, historically. In other words, you also must consider getting the vaccine (maybe twice), and then still getting the flu.
Finally, we might also consider if mass vaccination against H1N1 might be causing mothers to generate antibodies against fetal brain tissue that could result in problems years down the road.
We are doomed.
- pD
An article in Associated Content makes the arguable statement..
What is arguable? The AC paragraph is nonsense. How is it “abundantly proven” that vaccines cause autism? Even a vaccine moderate knows the opposite is true. Thimerosal has been absent from scheduled childhood vaccines since 2002, and the prevalence of PDDs has not declined accordingly.
And why are you quoting Ginger Taylor as a credible source for this post? The immunologists at the CDC are concerned that H1N1 could cause some serious damage. Ahh, but Ginger Taylor, who doesn’t know a bell curve from a bell jar, begs to differ.
ANB – I didn’t cite Ginger Taylor as a “credible source,” I cited her as an autism blogger. In fact, she’s among the most active bloggers out there — and I think her blog represents the thinking of quite a few autism parents.
Which is my point.
If you take a look at the poll, you’ll see that more readers are concerned about the H1N1 vaccine than are not. Of course, this is not a “scientific study,” but it is a decent sampling.
Lisa
An active parent blogger does not represent every other parent out there with a child with autism, and I come to this blog, not that one. It’s interesting to include news articles, and then a blogger. It’s hard to think that other blog is anything to site since there is no true link to ““1 in 6 children in America is learning disabled. 1 in 9 has asthma, 1 in 150 develops autism. 1 in 450 has diabetes and millions more suffer with allergies and autoimmune disorders” and vaccines. If you had any of those things and contracted this H1N1 flu, you may be in serious trouble regardless of the thought the ‘H1N1 flu is no worse than any other flu and people recover.’ That is a matter of opinion.
The running poll also has nothing to but with this blog.
OK, maybe I’m being obtuse here… my point in citing three different websites was to show very different perspectives on the same issue.
I’m not trying to say “Ginger Taylor is a credible medical source,” nor am I trying to say “Fox News is a credible medical source.”
What I AM trying to say is that the “media” (which includes both news sites and blogs) are of conflicting opinions about the relative dangers of swine flu and swine flu vaccine as they relate to autism.
In the poll, I’m asking folks how they read the media: are they ok with the questions and issues raised about swine flu vaccine? Or are they concerned enough to eschew the vaccine?
Lisa
But where is the evidence any flu vaccine contributed to autism? Why the H1N1 vaccine and not make the regular yearly flu vaccine an issue with autism? Pretty soon every one will get the fear the flu vaccine will cause autism.
Sandy, you say: “But where is the evidence any flu vaccine contributed to autism? Why the H1N1 vaccine and not make the regular yearly flu vaccine an issue with autism? Pretty soon every one will get the fear the flu vaccine will cause autism.”
Exactly! In fact, I’m sure there are quite a few people who avoid giving little ones the flu vaccine for precisely that reason.
As to proof, as you know there are studies that many believe are “proof” and many believe are “horse manure.”
Lisa
My point is, is if I wanted to read a blog snip, I’d go there to read it. Now had that person commented here would be different.
The flu vaccine has never really been part of the autism controversy, even if Thimerosal is part of it. There has never ben a true study to know which children ever had the yearly flu vaccine and then had autism thereafter. As you said, there are quite a few people who avoid giving little ones the flu vaccine. The H1N1 vaccine, if any were to click the hyper links in the first article, 2 types will be available and I believe the nose mist doesn’t contain Thimerosal at all so one needs full info in order to make a good choice. Also, Wal-Mart is part of the H1N1 campaign. How interesting is that. One wonders who they donated funds to?
By right there should be some fear of any new vaccine, but to spread fear based upon autism and H1N1 vaccine is just misinforming the public. The topic should be other more serious side effects of that upcoming vaccine. Which is it, we as the autism community be afraid of this vaccine due to one option having Thimerosal? Or just as being part of the public being afraid of the possible side effects of it? The more plausible is the latter. I’m interested if any looked up the stats on the H1N1?
Yes Lisa, this is one of the most obtuse things you have written in some time. Confusing, muddled, and squishy also describe your Autism-Vaccine Moderate® brand.
Fox News may not be an authoritative medical source, but the article you link to at least provides credible sourcing. You could have made that more clear before presenting Dr. Taylor and her brain trust, as they “dig deeply” into the flu vaccine development process.
I don’t understand what “is not so simple.” Is that unreasonable people have websites? The internet is also home to blogging white supremacists and creation science forums. Does that mean racial equality and evolution “are not so simple”? How are vaccine rejectionists any different than the people who think Obama is a foreign born Muslim? Or that the White House ordered the 9/11 attacks?
A little perspective, please.
And why the scare quotes when you write “Of course, this is not a ’scientific study,’ but it is a decent sampling”? What do you mean by “decent sampling” – that your respondents all have their clothes on? Seems like an obtuse choice of words.
ANB – is it your belief that I should simply say “swine flu is a danger, vaccines are good, get yours today?” IMHO there are significant issues regarding the vaccine, including the lack of appropriate time for testing.
And while I don’t think ANY of the sites I mentioned should be considered “medical,” they are all in the public eye. That they ARE in the public eye is my point. NOT that they are right or wrong.
The media – including blogs of which you may disapprove – has an impact on public decision-making relative to medical issues. THAT is my point.
Blogs are not of the public eye or part of the decision making process and it’s sad that people do make important decisions based on blogs. The only people who view those blogs are those who share those same belief’s, other’s would never go there to begin with (like me) and I doubt highly the general public would go there at all. They’d go to CNN before they’d ever go to a blog of a parent. Blogs are generally not unbiased sources. That blog is more about financial compensation in the case there is a harmful side effect.
You’d had been better off providing the Washington Post article, which is what the Associated Content was based upon. That article also left out the Flu mist that will be available. The blog also brings up many disorder’s, regardless of studies or not, no one can yet state those disorder’s are related to vaccines at all. Many do not die directly from being learning disabled, or having asthma, autism, diabetes allergies and autoimmune. In the same sentence as stating vaccines can have a higher risk for some than for others, there’s no offered reason for that but at the same time some will be more at risk for death from H1N1 than other’s too. many of the list above can be genetic as well than vaccine related.
Although some news articles are relating this vaccine to autism, truly it is not an autism issue with that vaccine that hasn’t even been released to know of any harmful affects it may or may not have and I venture to say if there is side effects, it’s going to be far worse than autism.
Sandy – while I agree that MORE people read CNN and CBS than read any individual blog, I DISagree that blogs play no role in the public conversation.
MY POINT (don’t know why this is such a tough concept) is not to announce “here is news about the swine flu and the vaccine which I have validated through the following research.”
My POINT is to say “various voices both in and outside of the autism community have something to say on this subject. They disagree with each other. This is confusing.”
I then ask “how do you feel about this issue?”
If you really don’t want to engage with blogs, you don’t have to – but within the autism community, Ginger’s blog and Age of Autism and many others are well-read. I know my site receives a hefty number of hits per day, even though I’m hardly the Washington Post.
Lisa
Again, well read by who? I don’t read either Ginger’s blog or Age of Autism on a regular bases and from what I understand, comments to both are limited. I read blogs that I choose to read, just like everyone else. News articles are different, they are written by employee’s of some one. I have a blog, it’s well read too by many but blogs are read by those who only share those same opinions and still, my questions to what was in that blog content hasn’t even been addressed which is the main reason why I personally disagree with it’s content here. You can assume a lot about a vaccine prior to it’s release, and so far I have yet to understand what it has to do with autism at all. It has more to do with serious medical side effects if one was to look at past history of the vaccine.
I polled, but unless each of the 92 votes express why they chose their choice, no one knows if it has anything at all to do with autism, news articles, blogs or otherwise. The reason why I myself wont go into what I voted for is due to the fact my choice was not based on autism at all. My kid already has autism. Could this vaccine cause autism? How would I know? I think the topic should be in this community is for those whose children already have autism, what could they handle better? the vaccine or the contracted virus? How would any of us be able to answer that question? If the topic is Thimerosal, the vaccine will come with out it and with it. Educating that fact is important. The link to schizophrenia and the flu came out before the H1N1. The link was mainly for the seasonal flu but I suppose since H1N1 is a tad bit more scarier than the seasonal flu, it’s made for autism topic?
No one said you validated anything. Adding other’s blog content does make it confusing.
It has been documented that there have only been 800 cases of confirmed swine flu….100 children die in america from the regular flu every year…this swine flu is being hyped up WAY more than it should.
The media – including blogs of which you may disapprove – have an impact on public decision-making relative to medical issues. THAT is my point.
Then it follows that your NYT about.com blog also has an impact on public decision-making. Instead of contributing to the alleged confusion between scientific consensus and baseless fear mongering, why not take the opportunity to clarify the issues at hand? What would I do, you ask?
Swine Flu or Swine Flu Vaccine?
Sunday August 2, 2009
Fox News makes it very clear: “The H1N1 flu virus can damage the developing brains of unborn offspring…” The article on the Fox News website goes on to elaborate: “…children born to women who have suffered flu infections during pregnancy are at increased risk of schizophrenia and possibly autism too.”
What that means, of course, is “the new research simply reinforced existing advice…Pregnant women should do their best to avoid all infections, especially flu.”
The obvious conclusion? Pregnant women should run, not walk, to their nearest vaccination center.
Unfortunately, not everyone sees it that way.
Typical of the idle speculation is this fact-challenged article in Associated Content:
If you’re keeping score at home:
• It has not been abundantly proven that vaccines cause autism – in fact, the opposite is true.
• Thimerosal has been absent from scheduled childhood vaccines since 2001, with no measurable impact on autism rates.
Meanwhile, the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Desk at CBS News tells us:
Oh no! Not another WARNING ON THE WEB!
Anti-vaccine bloggers naturally view the H1N1 vaccine development process with alarm, excited by the near limitless potential to spin more conspiracy theories. Ginger Taylor, who spins with the best at her Adventures in Autism blog, puts it this way:
Taylor, whose public health bona fides consist mainly of spelling Thimerosal correctly, is trying to pull a fast one. The “one-in-six” canard refers to the way data are distributed on a bell curve. It’s like saying “half of all kids are below average”.
Taylor also tells us that swine flu in the US has been surprisingly mild, but she doesn’t define mild or tell us why this is relevant. She also conveniently sidesteps why the real scientists at the CDC and in every developed country around the world are seriously concerned about this virus. I’m sure she has a conspiracy theory to explain all that.
It has been documented (cdc.gov) that 5,500 Americans have been hospitalized with H1N1, with 353 deaths. A typical flu season, which historically occurs during the winter months, sees about 30,000 deaths. The fact that H1N1 is killing people during the spring and summer months is just one of the reasons that public health officials are concerned.
So Hannah, why do you think this outbreak is “being hyped up WAY more than it should?”
ANB – nicely written. Hope you put this in your own blog?
Meanwhile, just wondering whether you have any concerns at all about the speed at which the H1N1 vaccine is being produced? Are there ANY risks you envision relative to vaccination, or do you see medical intervention as wholly benign?
It seems clear to me that vaccines, and medications of all sorts, carry significant risks. And a medication that’s rushed through the approval process is likely to carry more risk than one that is fully researched.
Thus, the question of whether to get the H1N1 flu shot is NOT a simple one.
Do I think a baby is likely to “go autistic” when injected? NO. But that doesn’t mean the choice is risk free.
Lisa
my child is taking part in a swine flu vaccine program.
It is made clear in the consent documentation that the mercury-derived substance thimerosal is not used in this particular vaccine.
wow, I know I have a vaccine injured child, he has Autism. Shots did have Thimerisol, but I fear the MMR itself was the factor, since testing has proven it. I don’t know what the hell to do now?
I meant to mention, i’m not a blogger, just a mom of a profoundly autistic 9 yr. old. He was perfectly developing, hitting milestones, even starting to walk. At 12 months, 24 hrs. after the bolus MMR injection, he was hospitalized with dehydration and kidney failure. He never spoke again. So, am I march my 3 kids to Walmart so some FEMA trained drone can inject untested poison into them? Just read any DAN material, look up Dr. Andrew Moulden and look at it fromm the other side of the fence.
Jane – two things.
First, if you truly believe your child was vaccine injured, and you have medical evidence that this is the case, and the injury occured less than three years ago, you can make a claim with the vaccine court. It is critical, though, that you have real, well-authenticated medical records that can be exhibited — otherwise, it’s just a matter of opinion.
Also: you should be aware that DAN doctors receive only a single day of specialized training to receive their DAN credential. What that means is that their knowledge of immunology and nutrition varies dramatically from doc to doc.
Best,
Lisa
Meanwhile, just wondering whether you have any concerns at all about the speed at which the H1N1 vaccine is being produced?
I’m not a trained immunologist, and I try not to base my concerns on cheap emotional appeal or what Ginger Taylor is writing this week.
Are there ANY risks you envision relative to vaccination, or do you see medical intervention as wholly benign?
Again with the straw man argument. Of course vaccines have risks. Everything has risk. Getting a haircut, driving to the grocery store, filling up your gas tank … you name it. Like most people, I weigh the benefit of an activity against its risk. I see no real benefit to kick boxing or swimming with manta rays, so I avoid doing those things. On the other hand, I risk driving to the grocery store because the alternative, which eating delivered pizza three times a day, doesn’t appeal to me all that much.
It seems clear to me that vaccines, and medications of all sorts, carry significant risks.
Now we’re getting somewhere. How are you defining “significant”? Do you believe the risk of vaccines is greater than the diseases they protect us from?
And a medication that’s rushed through the approval process is likely to carry more risk than one that is fully researched. Thus, the question of whether to get the H1N1 flu shot is NOT a simple one.
The medical professionals who study flu viruses are in agreement on this one – the risks of receiving a flu shot are insignificant compared to the risk of catching the flu. If you are confused by the choices, then you are paying too much attention to people who haven’t the faintest idea what they are talking about.
Not to nitpick, but can you name anything that has been “fully researched”?
Do I think a baby is likely to “go autistic” when injected? NO. But that doesn’t mean the choice is risk free.
Two straw men and counting.
ANB, you say “Now we’re getting somewhere. How are you defining “significant”? Do you believe the risk of vaccines is greater than the diseases they protect us from?”
At this point, relative to swine flu, I don’t think we know.
We do know that some people will contract the illness. Many will recover quickly and easily. Some won’t. Some people will have a negative reaction to the vaccine. Some will recover quickly and easily; some won’t.
The only way to actually weigh the risks is to know the actual statistical likelihood of contracting H1N1 and NOT recovering versus the statistical likelihood of being vaccine injured.
We don’t have those numbers, nor will we until after the flu season is over. So we will have to make educated guesses based on available information and individual circumstances.
As to the “fully researched” issue, I think you’re also setting up a straw man. Obviously nothing in the world can be researched to the point of zero doubt. But if the vaccine is made available before the double blind testing is complete, I’d say that’s a concern.
Lisa
So we will have to make educated guesses based on available information and individual circumstances.
Educated guesses – BINGO!
And who do we turn to for that education – Ginger Taylor? Or trained professionals who are in near unanimous agreement that H1NI is a serious threat, and a vaccine will save lots of lives?
That’s the choice, and forgive me if it seems simple to me.
As to the “fully researched” issue, I think you’re also setting up a straw man.
It doesn’t sound like you understand what “straw man” means. You’re the one who is setting the impossibly high standard that a vaccine should be “fully researched” before it is released to the public. Maybe we can just agree it was a poor choice of words on your part and leave it at that.
Obviously nothing in the world can be researched to the point of zero doubt.
aka: fully researched.
But if the vaccine is made available before the double blind testing is complete, I’d say that’s a concern.
I missed the part where the CDC was going to release the vaccine without doubled-blind testing. Is that true? A vaccine trial was started two weeks ago in Australia. I’m wondering if double blinding is really necessary, since researchers are looking for an objective immune response, not something subjective such as a cure, or a reversal of symptoms.
Lisa, My son is 9. We have the best Special Needs Atty. in Atlanta, as we have to sue time and time again for the srvices he needs and deserves. Our atty. does not have enough precedent in our particular state, not to say we don’t have a case…we dont have any more $$$ to shell out in the hopes of it getting a judgment. What we must save for now is LONG-TERM care, because there is nothing for these children in the future, and you I am 100% right. They will not just disappear and I can’t live forever.
With re: to DAN. I really don’t do the diet, nor follow the protocol, but for so many it works. We have done every therapy short of physically rewiring his brain. We are done trying to “fix” him. We want him to live the happiest life he can in the most loving enviroment possible. Period.
But, do I want things any worse? Hell no!!! If there is just the smallest chance he is predisposed to vaccine injury, then you will have to kill me first b4 injecting him again.
I am sorry you are frustrated with all there irrate semantics, etc. I really do enjoy your way of putting the discussion out there. I guess some people don’t see it that way.
If I had the $ I’d sue Lisa, believe me I would. It is too late for us, we were damaged in 2000. but maybe I can make a difference for someone else.
Facebook is a much friendlier crowd–BTW
If I had the $ I’d sue Lisa, believe me I would.
You’d have to get by the New York Times attorneys first.
anb- my atty. is from NY and the Hannah Poling case was won in GA, we however do not suffer from mitochondrial disorder. I was personally raised in NYC and am afraid of NY attys. Our $ must be spent on what matters most in this journey: our son’s future long-term care. This is such an overlooked issue with Autism. People don’t want to face it, but I get up everyday thinking about it.
Do you ever think about how MMR could possibly cause kidneys to shut down? Or maybe it’s already been explained to you. If so, please share.
BTW, the Poling case was never even heard by a judge. And the Poling family’s physician, Dr. Zimmerman, told the US Court of Claims in the Cedillo case:
Here is a link to the experts reports in the Cedillo case:
http://tinyurl.com/lqlcja
In the USA alone 2009: 43, 771 cases, 380 deaths. Total world wide is 189,000 cases and 1400 deaths. It may not seem like a lot.
One death is one too many.
All depends on where one looks to observe a hype or not. Kind of like autism, no one is aware of it until it effects them. People think this flu is no big deal but I bet it is to the family whose daughter died while pregnant. I have never known in recent years for schools to completely close before had some one been diagnosed with the flu. And what is scary about this bug is it is not seasonal. The worry is year round.
Although I still feel this is not really an autism topic (I think it’s mainly general public topic) it shouldn’t be an autism topic just because were talking about a vaccine. Things like this flu can be a preview of worse things. I am far more scared of bio warfare than I am of autism and if that threat ever comes true they’ll be trying to come up with vaccines real quick for that, too. Only because my child has autism and his mouthing behaviors as a result does this topic concern me autism-wise. My kid catches everything not because his immune system is compromised but because he cant keep anything out of his mouth. He is a prime risk factor for anything and he’s had just about everything. When I consider vaccine choices, I have to consider my own child’s risk factors per him not of some one else or who claims they had that flu and recovered. No one can tell me my child would recover or me for that matter. This isn’t just about kids, it’s about young adults and adults that are generally healthy.
anb–you don’t have to be so ugly in your tone.
1. Poling case: Zimmerman cited that to win b/c of the controversy of Autism and MMR, the mitochondrial disorder sealed the deal on winning that.
2. After thousand of $ spent scraping my son’s insides, chelating toxic amounts of metals and replacing his little body with the good substances he needs, we have had some improvement. What did we find? Abnormal amounts of mercury, aluminum, other metals, and yes…MMR trace amts in his gut. Have you ever heard of leaky gut?
3. the point is that there is a significant percentage of the population that is predisposed, genetic, or otherwise to have serious non-reverible damage after the many bolus injections received in the first 2 years of life. Why don’t you do your research and get back to me. You-anb have given me a reason to become a BLOGGER!!!!!! I have advocated for Autism rights for seven years now, and will be going to Washington in January with a group of moms from the UK to meet with Michelle Obama, after reading your posts I wish the plane would take off today.
This really was about the H1N1 vaccine, not general childhood vaccines.
What contributed to the Poling case was the mitochondrial disorder which is considered genetic last I read, but Hanah missed many of her childhood vaccines due to being ill (depends on what is defined as ill, maybe vaccines weren’t a good choice to begin with) and the doc decided to inject her with a bunch of catch-up vaccines all in one day when she wasn’t ill. That case only shows us that if your child misses regular vaccines, not to inject that child with so many in one day, you’re bound to have side effects. Unless the rest of the general public has had that same route in vaccines, it really means nothing to the autism factor to even bring up the Poling case.
The thing about vaccines and medications is why some can handle them and some can not. Science needs to locate that genetic factor so parent will know if their children cn handle vaccines, antibiotics, parasites and what have you.
The thing with advocating is taking one child’s reaction and objectively stating the higher risk for all children to have that same fate. I can say of my son’s biopsies, after his MMR he did not have a leaky gut or remains of the MMR in his gut. I know many who have tested and found the same. It would be more suitable to find out why your child had that reaction and why mine didn’t.
I think I already stated that some children are genetically pre-disposed for adverse effects of too many vaxes too early. I’m advocating for research to find out why this is the case. We are looking at enviromental factors as well as genetics.
it is most likely a cocktail of both with the vaxes adding the final blow to an already weakened immunity system. We must isolate these mothers /and babies at risk before mass injections.
Is that what you’re going to see Michelle Obama about? Too many vaccines or the genetic factors? I’m not sure were mass injections comes from other than the Poling case. In the gist of things, of the childhood population over the years even, the majority do not have complications or side effects or autism from childhood vaccines. And then there’s the option of a waiver, depending on where you live, or other options to where does not have to choose vaccines so it’s hard to say what one should advocate for, more awareness of choice? Saying no to a crazy doctor who wants to over-inject your kid with catch-up vaccines? It’s that doctor who should had been sued, not the vaccine makers.
Now that can not be said about the up-coming H1N1 vaccine, complications of that have yet to be seen. It seems that flu is attacking those considered young and healthy, one wonders what it’s do to the person who was not so medically healthy?
Sandy-
We are a group of Autism mothers going to Washington to meet and express our concerns about the increase in Autism, and to pressure for research into what prediposes so many children to adverse effects of the current vaccine protocol. Many of our moms have autimmune diseases, and that is an area of study. There is simply not enough funding for Autism period. So, whatever it takes: the intro of the Swine Flu, a sudden rise in diagnosis, etc. We will investigate for our children, not just cast them out as a small % by-product of the drug companies. I’ve spent too much time in this forum already
1. Poling case: Zimmerman cited that to win b/c of the controversy of Autism and MMR, the mitochondrial disorder sealed the deal on winning that.
In case you missed it the first time, Dr. Zimmerman, told the US Court of Claims in the Cedillo case:
Cedillo lost the case. And Zimmerman was testifying for the respondents (US gov’t). My point is that the Poling family’s own doctor doesn’t believe MMR causes autism.
So much easier to attack my “tone” than to do your homework and get your facts straight.
Yes, I’ve heard of a leaky gut, and there is no credible evidence that it causes autism. It sounds like you’ve been bamboozled by a shady practitioner. Who did the lab tests – Doctor’s Data? Great Plains?
If your child showed improvement over time, then he could have an autistic spectrum disorder. They are developmental disorders, which means that your child will develop and grow and adapt, albeit at his own pace. Given enough time, and lack of a control group, tap water will take on the appearance of a miracle cure.
The First Lady has been well-briefed on PDDs by reputable, evidence-based scientists. She will be cordial to you, and express the proper amount of sympathy. But she will not be fooled by junk science. Have fun in Washington.
Don’t get the idea that I am casting aside any percentage bi- product of anything. All children and parents would want to have answers for why their child has autism but an important part of that in relations to vaccines and making change is that percentage and vaccines.
Not that I want to take up more of your time with questions, but I have a few more. I’m curious as to why mother’s from the UK are going to speak to Michelle Obama and not those within the UK where such things effect them? Why go to America? The UK has their own vaccine schedule different from the USA’s. When talking to anyone about autism and vaccine, let’s say for instance Michelle Obama who may have had her children vaccinated with no ill effects, I myself would need more than just my child standing there to produce an eye brow to raise. Anyone can whip out this study and that study, how do these mothers plan to tackle those reactions? Or the questions about the rising cases of the measles? There has to be some balance between it all, to prevent both childhood illnesses and autism.
Dr. Moulden is an interesting read and I looked at that side of the fence a while ago. His site still to me looks like a guy on eharmony than a doctor at all. He cant even button up his shirt but aside from poor appearance, I read not thinking about that. His first findings was vaccines caused micro vascular strokes, then he decided aluminum was added higher as Thimerosal was removed and that caused autism. Only trouble with that is aluminum salts have been in vaccines longer than what Thimerosal ever was.
I don’t think he really knows what causes autism than any of us does and the MMR never had Thimerosal in it to begin with so I’m not sure what his input has of value. I think there’s much better thing to site than this doctor.
The UK connection is b/c we have learned valuble things about their vaccination protocol. It isn’t about not vaccinating our children, it’s about doing it safer. I have three kids, my youngest was vaccinated with adverse effects. Now I order them preservative free, not in combo,done spaced out longer, and it’s totally OUT OF POCKET. I’m not really getting the angry vibes in this forum, why are you angry at me? I have every right to feel the way I do, and you don’t have to be such righteous a**holes about it. Peace out.
The UK moms have done much better getting the attention of their government than we Aut-moms here. The UK vax sched. is different, better. I have 3 children, all vaccinated. One out of the three had an adverse reaction. I order all vaxes preservative free, in single doses, not combined with other diseases, and I carefully spread them out. All of whisch is very costly and out of pocket. I am hoping we can make our vaxes safer and identfy people at risk for adverse effects of all of these vaxes given so early in life. I would appreciate it if you did not speak as if you are a superior being. It is very irritating.
Please don’t mistake my questions as angry, all they are, are questions and no one yet has said you cant feel any way that you want. I’m not sure who you’re speaking about but naming calling any of us here is just disrespectful.
The only angry one so far I’ve seen in 40 some comments is the name-calling 2 comments.
If you didn’t want to answer questions, then maybe next time not offer info about UK and Michelle Obama, which would generate conversation.
The thing is, the MMR never had the preservative Thimerosal in it, ever. The UK also doesn’t offer generally seperate jabs of the MMR, parents just out right reject it’s use (the choice thing). The UK’s autism rates haven’t dropped much either, even after the MMR rejection.
Most of all of that is all about vaccines than identifying people at higher risk. How can one change anything without knowing the risk? That’s what other’s look at, the autism rates and maybe the rates of measles. It’s an honest, non superior non righteous thing people ask.
Don’t blame others for your inferiority complex. It’s your ideas that are at issue, not your soul. You are obviously just making up things as you go along, without regard to the facts or logic. Your comment that Dr. Zimmerman only pretended to be MMR friendly so Cedillo would win is a case in point. Cedillo didn’t win. And Zimmerman’s expert opinion was delivered to rebut Cedillo’s experts. But you don’t want to talk about that, do you? So much easier to play victim and storm off.
I’m delighted that you want to share your unique vision via a blog. Make sure you link to Ginger Taylor.
The Poling case is a clear example of not getting childhood vaccines at the recommended ages, that’s why she had catch-up vaccines all in one day. That’s why they have a catch-up schedule, there already is choice in all but 2 states. Any parent in the USA can spread out those same vaccines, you don’t need to get any one’s attention to do that but other parents. No one goes to jail if your child does not get the MMR between 12 and 18 mths, parents just need to be aware that they already have that choice. The key word to that schedule is recommended. The only time you need proof of waiver or vaccines is day care/ public school or pass port. If a parent never sends their kids to school or day care, don’t vaccinate. Or, do what my sister did and start at age 4 however since no one knows the risk factor, or if age has anything to do with it, no one then knows if spreading out vaccines will make any difference at all. If there is a genetic fault, any age of vaccines could cause regression and side effects.
In a true friendly manner, that is the question posed, the risk factors and evidence the risk factor isn’t there at any age, prior to attempting to make change for every one.
Who has the complex? Me? LMAO
I would appreciate it if you did not speak as if you are a superior being. It is very irritating.
So your comment that you perceive others as acting “superior” was just another fabrication?
Why won’t you address your comment about Dr. ZImmerman? We’re looking forward to your clarification.
One thing I am not is a liar, I don’t have the energy or time to fabricate what happens in a courtroom. The reference that I made ONCE to the Poling case was b/c I live in the same state, and it caused a backlash in it’s wake.
I hate to rain on this parade, but these comments are starting to look an awful lot like “flames.” I think it would be in everyone’s best interest if we just ended this thread.
Thanks so much,
Lisa
Thanks Lisa
Hi Lisa
Again thanks for a stimulating piece but not so good comments this time.
First, if you truly believe your child was vaccine injured, and you have medical evidence that this is the case, and the injury occured less than three years ago, you can make a claim with the vaccine court. It is critical, though, that you have real, well-authenticated medical records that can be exhibited — otherwise, it’s just a matter of opinion.
This is what you wrote and is so true:
For every person that knows vaccine harmed their child and have the proof there are thousands who know but can’t prove it.
I fear by common laws of maths that the lady you refer will be left with a hundred thousand dollar life time cost for her child and two fingers of salute from the vaccine company and government and many uncaring folk here. I believe in France they call it the Droigt d’Honneur.
I personally know much worse where the families lose children, with clear evidence of vaccine harm. A paid for expert (50 000 dollars) comes out cheap compared to a half million settlement with the family. And it protects the status quo very nicely. And again to add insult, the evidence of vaccine harm is turned into incontrovertible proof of parental harm with again huge bills for family defence costs and a spell in prison from 18 months to life plus ten from again, paid for, experts for the prosecution.
To think anyone can beat a medical cabal, a legal cabal and an economic blockade they must share the Alice in Wonderland that is mass vaccinations by the million to save half a dozen sick people that can be treated safely for a few dollars.
The now famous or infamous Hannah Poling case was proved by one of the most intellectual medical experts on vaccines – Dr Poling who until he saw the evidence would be seen siding with the Queen of Hearts in making everyone proof against 60 or so infectious illnesses out of 3 500 000 that we are exposed to unlercilessly by the Devil and his Cohorts.
Hi Sandy
What effect does payouts by vaccine companies have on research et al?
I think you are being a bit too honest or rather implying people are totally honest when receiving money from people with an agenda.
I was paid a good salary by my employer. For this money I am or was effectively their man. Its common sense and survival.
If I went round running them down I would get sacked, fired, pushed out within a short space of time. And why would I work against my own wishes and desires?
Dr Pustzai annoyed his governments plans to poison everybody for profit and lasted 2 days in a job which is normally for life.
I cvould list dozens of other whistle blowers that lost their jobs or even lives.
I liked the one that got fired from Leeds (Dr Richard Lacey) unviersity when the UK government specifically gave protection to any whistle blower on this issue: Mad Cow disease.
It turned out it was protection for any whistle blower.
If they had a name or title they got sacked as is usual.
I think a pay out of a suitable remuneration to me might focus my mind on the good things about vaccines rather than the negative.
The debate after all is two sided but with sacking for talking and one line whips the debate tends to be all for points in favour of vaccines while ignoring any research to the contrary.
The catastrophe of the introduction of the first flu vaccine in the fall of 1918 was so great that most medical books don’t admit we discovered or made flu vaccine for decades after.
Even with the internet debate the vaccine rate is over 80 per cent and sufficient to maintain protection at adequate levels.
My main concern lies with repeat vaccines or giving them too soon in life, plus the fact that giving others lots of vaccines is much easier than giving yourself loads of vaccines.
I don’t mind the odd vaccine but up to 11 at once? NEVER!
Ignoring money issues that study was repeated five times until the figures came out almost as they wanted. It’s like writing out the victims which is sadly not confined to this paper alone.
A government commendation for these practices just shows the width and breadth of deceit that man goes to for the Almighty Dollar.
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You quote things wildly wrong, or just wild, while fiercely condemning others for telling the truths as they see it.
The point about organomercury is not right. Without proof from inventories, I believe more mercury is being used for vaccines than ever in the history of vaccine making. It certainly fits in with current rises in illness and death to infants.
Your figures for deaths in USA? Did you make these up? In the UK there are 100 000 cases of Swine flu daily with until recently not a single death in England. Or is the health resistance of USA citizens as bad as you claim and puts it firmly at the bottom of the first world nations?
Flu is an illness easily treated and cured for a few dollars or pounds. It can be got over in approximately the same time without medical interventions, bizarrely.
The cost for vaccines for each country interested is around 1 000 000 000 pounds, dollars or euros for a reasonable sized nation.
Many issues need discussing. How do you get a vaccine out in a few weeks and show any degree or concern for safety even in the short term?
How does an Asian flu with European changes suddenly arrive near a vaccine makers research facility in North America? If you plot the plague hundreds of years ago there is clear geographical progression seen even at the time.
And of course there is that organomercury again in the flu vaccine.
The initial vaccination recommendation for pregnant mothers was stopped quickly when perhaps people realised there was a perfect vaccinated versus non vaccinated study presented for all the world to see. Now none in the vaccine world wants that.
Your ranting on the birth place of USA presidents and the instigators of world terrorism show that you are heaping ridicule on people who do have serious concerns which aren’t being addressed. The issues are rather disparate and very much one off affairs however trivial or serious. Vaccination is a debate going on for already 200 years with clear evidence of cover up of harm. The notion that todays vaccines are completely safe while ten years ago they were harmful has carried on throughout this period. In this time millions have been made ill or killed by vaccines or not according to your religious scientific beliefs.
Dr Wakefield failed to get a hearing for his vaccine concerns for six years so the chance of anyone listening to mere bloggers is remote but can be placed at zero or less.
Most autism cases arrive in families who receive vaccines while those that claim autism with no vaccination but fervently support vaccines suggest some degree of hypocrisy.
The cross section of the public with autism in the family is disturbing in that it is proportionally higher in the more intelligent and more educated persons. Never more clearly shown than in the intitial cases where vaccination would be expected and jobs were in the chemical and scientific communities.
Jenny McCarthy comes in for much crticism but is an intelligent person and one whose voice is being heard LOUD and CLEAR. Often too loud and too clear for those that like their news CENSORED.
In regards to Sandy…
You stated that “i’m not really sure what H1N1 flu virus vaccine has to do with autism?” Did you even read the article or are you just that much of a sheep? Read the article posted by the Associated Press…Also you stated “does it really matter who donated to what and what conflict of interest does it hold?” well yes…who do you think is going to benefit from the mass production of these vaccines…this is a profitable market for those type of investors. Your a great parent if you throw your kid in line to get a shot in which you do not know what is in it and how it could be potentailly harmful to your child. It is a fact that most of the H1N1 vaccines will be preserved in mulitdoes viles in which thimerosal is the main preservative. It sickens me that people like you have a right to free speech, stop quoting news programs and do some real research so then maybe you’ll stop talking out of your ass. But then again Sandy go ahead and line your kids up, in fact why dont you ask for 2 shots just to be safe.
I make it a point never to pay any attention to Fox news. Until the BBC, CNN and Sky for the west, NDTV for India or Al Jazeera for the middle east carry a story I give it scant regard.
H1N1 this is the UK no one can make us do anything if we don’t want to it’s a choice and either way there are risks and not enough hard fact.
Just a few tidbits to chew on. Consider the following information aside from the potential of autism etc…
A recent study published in the October 2008 issue of the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine found that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons. The researchers concluded that “significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting” examined.
-A study published in the Lancet just two months ago found that influenza vaccination was NOT associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people. Vaccination coverage among the elderly increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now, yet there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza or pneumonia.
-That Lancet study supports a similar study done five years ago, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, which concluded that vaccination against pneumonia does not reduce your risk of contracting the disease.
-Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine last month also confirms that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now.
-Last year, researchers with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and the National Institutes of Health published this conclusion in the Lancet Infectious Diseases: “We conclude that frailty selection bias and use of non-specific endpoints such as all-cause mortality have led cohort studies to greatly exaggerate vaccine benefits.”
-A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews in 2006, found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo in children. The studies involved 260,000 children, age 6 to 23 months.
Yeah!!!
So glad to see the overwhelming majority are going to just say NO to drugging their kids with this unnecessary and potentially dangerous chemical.
If interested check out this post on my site: http://doctorellisor.com/wellness/stop-drugging-our-children
Thanks
Mercury is extremely toxic.
Flu shots that are not thimerosal-free contain mercury.
That’s reason enough for me to avoid giving it to my daughter. I’ll just wait and hope that a thimerosal-free H1N1 vaccine comes around in time.
The program of compulsory vaccination against swine influenza virus H1N1 when considered taking into account the demonstrated validity of the hypothesis that the virus H1N1 virus genetically complex and that he was deliberately launched to justify vaccination, reveals the dirty plot and a clear division of humanity into two groups, first group includes those who declined
those who declined their mental, intellectual and health had deteriorated and declined to have the sexual capacity of the contaminated vaccine, and another group still has those features and the natural human superior and thus control the minimum, if not actually enslaved. ”
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met the swine flu story reacted with deep skepticism, but one of the stories seemed like second-class movies – begins her story a number of students travel abroad for a holiday of spring as the pick of HIV infection and when they return to their country. We turn the infection to their families and colleagues and that the pandemic starts to spread in all over the world, the story of film is not to be true, and I am sure the first day of that either that there is no virus at all, or that the compound was planning to launch it on purpose after a deep study to achieve the goals are very dangerous.
Unfortunately, the validity of the second possibility was confirmed, and so we face a new threat completely and is unprecedented in this compound, which the virus was not known before, and transmits a specialist virologist saying: “What the hell, where did the virus to all of these genes ? We do not know! “. The careful analysis of the virus reveals that the original genes of the virus are the same that were in the pandemic virus has spread in 1918 in addition to the genes of avian influenza virus H5N1, and other new strains of the H3N2 virus and there is every indication that the swine flu virus is already complex and Factory organisms. . This article is the product of a collective effort aimed at detection and access to the motive behind the launch of this virus and the epidemic warning in advance about things that happen in the near future.
Post: swine flu vaccine, the risk of lethal special emphasis on reproductive
The first attempt:
In February 2009, the Baxter one of the major companies to produce vaccines to send to a seasonal influenza virus vaccine to 18 European countries and the vaccine was contaminated with H5N1 avian influenza neighborhood, and, fortunately, the Czech government decided to test the vaccine as a routine and has appointed Biotest Czech to test the vaccine has his own experience on laboratory animals. And she was shocked when she died all the animals given the vaccine They knew that there was a huge mistake, and hastened to the Czech government to notify the Governments of other countries that have received the vaccine and, fortunately, they realized at the last moment. And when I looked at other countries vaccine does indicate that all vaccines contain live virus, and if not God then managed the Czech Republic and laboratories to capture the momentum of Baxter’s contaminated, we would now in the midst of a global epidemic with enormous numbers of deaths.
Worse still, in spite of the “wrong” is not terrible trial or punishment of Baxter in any way, note that the company has applied the system of protection of biological named BSL3 (biosafety level 3) and is a protocol was strictly precautionary and would to stop such pollution, but that the arrival of the vaccine virus to gradually transcending strict safety protocol in addition to the strength and the amount of virus in the vaccine clearly shows that the contamination was deliberate, and that in fact an attempt to kill millions has been stopped as soon as the attention of one country, what was happening and do not show confidence blind. It is noteworthy that the Biosafety Protocol approach makes it technically and practically impossible to climb until the virus is one of the viruses in question and the study of the research department to our manufacturing vaccines, and the emergence of the H5N1 virus in the production department has no justification other than that it was passed intentionally and baptized.
One would think that Baxter would have been excluded from the business after the fact such “error” significant, but the opposite is true, and which raises many questions, such as: any research studies, and any company invited to the production of this enormous quantity of the virus at all? How and why ended up infected with avian flu in the neighborhood of millions of doses of vaccine? Why vaccines included on the components necessary for the survival of the virus to survive and retain its strength throughout that period? Why not be tried or punished Baxter or even accountability in any way? Instead of boycotting the company and put it on the black list, rewarded by the World Health Organization to hold Baxter and a huge new business for the production of large quantities of swine flu vaccination, which is due to be distributed in all parts of the world in the autumn of this year, how the hell could this be possible?
The main focus:
Let’s turn to another aspect of the swine flu vaccine in which it operates and the major pharmaceutical companies including Baxter on the feet and leg to produce in large quantities during the months of enough of the population of the world, and that is the subject of this article, and this is the other side is that vaccination is only mentioned plan for the destruction of our thinking and our health and our citizenship through a global vaccination campaign and wide and using the additional material in particular, called adjuvants added theoretical goal is to increase the strength of vaccination so that a small amount is enough to vaccinate a large number of people and increase the number of doses produced during the short period of time, and In the case of swine flu vaccine, to be produced before the onset of the spread of influenza in the autumn. But despite the fact that there are plenty of safe adjuvants that can be added, they decided that the addition of squalene – and squalene is an important article and widespread in the body and comes with food, it is the basic material that can produce the body, various oils and acids fatty different task to perform vital functions in various important organs of the body, and is the parent material, which results in all sex hormones in both men and women, and therefore responsible for the fertility of male and female, as they are important for brain cells to discharge their functions properly, and also play a role important role in protecting cells from aging and genetic mutations. Has been shown that injecting squalene as a help with the vaccinations result in a satisfactory immune response in general and chronic whole body against the rule of squalene. And it is obvious after seeing the importance of the rule of squalene in the body to the reader to conclude that anything that affects the substance of squalene will have a significant negative impact on the body and to stimulate the immune system against it would lead to the decline and fall of derivatives and therefore the fertility rate and the low level of thought and intelligence and self-immune diseases.
Since the body is derived from squalene need of food and not injection through the skin, the injection of squalene to the pathogenic virus through the skin during the vaccination campaign against swine flu, it would cause an immune response against not only anti-virus but also against the rule of squalene itself to be attacked by the other is the immune system. And as mentioned, Valskowalin a single source for the body to the production of several steroid hormones including sex hormones of both male and female. It is also the source of many of the receptors of chemicals that carry nerve signals in the brain and nervous system, and when the immune system is programmed to attack the squalene it results in many neurological diseases and chronic and incurable muscle that can range between the low level of thought, mind, and autism (Autism) and more serious disorders such as Lou Gehrig’s syndrome (Lou Gehrig’s), and autoimmune diseases, tumors and multiple public and especially rare brain tumors.
In independent studies, conducted tests on vaccines, including squalene, as a help and guinea pigs were injected with it, and these studies demonstrated that the disturbances resulting from the stimulation of autoimmune anti-squalene killed 14 of the 15 pigs, and re-test to verify the accuracy of the results and the results are uncertain and are identical.
And dates “allegations” that the squalene adjuvant to the first Gulf War when it was injected for the first time in injection of an anthrax vaccine for American soldiers who participated, and was wounded several soldiers who had been vaccinated for permanent paralysis because the symptoms now known as AIDS phrase Gulf war syndrome, and may studies and tests have shown that 95 percent of veterans who received anthrax vaccine has been found to have antibodies against the rule of squalene, and that a small number of soldiers who received the vaccine empty bodies of antibodies regardless of whether they had served in the Gulf War or not. Objects also deserted soldiers who did not receive the vaccine antibodies against squalene article, even those who fought in the Gulf. And proves that 95% of the shots, and not all, contained squalene, and also prove that participation in the war had nothing to do injury Gulf War Syndrome, contrary to what government claimed to defense sources. And total deaths due to the presence of antibodies 6.5 percent of the vaccinated group, as shown by another study that the fertility rate of soldiers who were found to have antibodies in their bodies had decreased by 30 – 40%.
It is worth mentioning that the appearance of symptoms of autoimmune fully take nearly a year since receiving the vaccine to be exhausted nervous system and brain and body all the reserves of squalene, which recognizes the immune system from attacking it, and after the exhaustion of the reserve cells start damaged, and the passage of this long period of time prevent the indictment of the vaccine and the manufacturer, which has remained denies any wrongdoing or take responsibility for these symptoms late and with the U.S. Congress passed a law granting immunity to pharmaceutical companies against any damage caused by the vaccine actually expecting a bleak future for ever.
all you sheeple are stupid! vaccinate your children or yourself and your asking for trouble! go ahead say it’s a conspiracy theory, but isn’t that what they want you to believe? they want you to think that it’s all a bunch of crap proported by schizophrenic crazies who think the
C.I.A transmits radios signals into their brains. that way they can get you to submit to their silent genocide under the idea that it’s for your “health” go do some research, really look at the stuff that they put in these “vaccines” and then tell me if you want some goverment psycho shooting your child up with something that makes heroin look like tylenol! i will never vaccinate myself, my daughter or my partner, i feel sad for those of you who will and will be led like sheep to slaughter thinking that your doing something good.
Ingredients in vaccines have been proven to cause neurological damage. This can be at times minimal, and maybe difficult to notice, but the more we vaccinate the more abundant these symptoms become. Our childrens’ immune systems are virtually non-existent, because they never have to naturally fight of anything. They tell us that vaccination is the safest way, but is it really possible for them to track the signifigance of the the small adverse reactions? NO!! And as far as the rise in incidence of cancer, maybe we should look at everything else we put into our bodies (i.e. pesticides, synthetic estrogens, etc.) that they tell us is safe, but all have been proven to cause cancer.
I wish people would do just that! Do the research and look at the overwelming facts that vaccines are more harmful than any disease in which they are “trying” to prevent. The simple fact is all the stats about the number of deaths are biased. The death toll is calculated by the number of flu RELATED deaths, find out what related means and you will be sadly dissapointed in the manner of which the stats are designed to scare you!