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Autism Activists Launch Media Blitz, Claiming Government Cover-Ups and Lies

By February 25, 2009

According to David Kirby, RFK Jr., and Generation Rescue, the Vaccine Court has quietly awarded millions dollars to several families who have claimed a causal link between vaccines and "autism-like" symptoms. The gist of the story is that families who call their children's disorders anything but "autism" can win major settlements, while those who actually use the term "autism" win... bupkus.

Here's a quote from today's Huffington Post: "The Vaccine Court, in other words, seems quite willing to award millions of dollars in taxpayer funded compensation to vaccine-injured autistic children, so long as they don't have to call the injury by the loaded term "autism."

The article goes on to suggest that the CDC specifically and intentionally has been denying funding for vaccine-related research, likening the CDC to the tobacco industry:

Meanwhile, CDC has actively, openly and systematically suppressed and defunded epidemiological studies that might establish a causal link. CDC has ignored repeated pleadings that it fund peer reviewed studies of unvaccinated American cohorts like the Amish and home-schooled children. At the same time the agency has worked overtime ginning up a series of fatally-flawed European studies purporting to dispute the link. Even a cursory critical examination reveals that the oft-cited Danish, English, and Italian studies are rank tobacco science. Many of them were funded by CDC, a badly compromised agency, performed by vaccine industry scientists, and published in miserably conflicted journals.
Meanwhile, in support of the Kirby/Kennedy article, Generation Rescue has taken out a full page article in today's USA Today. Under an image of multiple hypodermic needles, the text reads in part:
Why does the Vaccine Court exist? Why are the rulings in favor of the children being suppressed? Where is the justice for these parents? In this new era of government accountability and transparency, the one in 64 American families dealing with autism deserve more. It’s time the government told the truth about childhood vaccines.
Note: I am not at all sure where the 1:64 figure comes from, since the official figure at this point is 1:150.

Clearly, today's media blitz will keep the autism community abuzz for quite a while to come. Do the allegations really hold water? Because I'm not an investigative journalist, I can't claim to have the inside scoop. I can say, however, that most forms of autism can ONLY be identified through observation of symptoms. Thus, so far as I'm concerned, the distinction between "autism-like symptoms" and "autism spectrum disorders" really does lie in the spelling (setting aside Fragile X syndrome and Rett syndrome, which can be identified through genetic tests).

If the allegations in today's Huffington Post are confirmed, the vaccine/autism debate - believe it or not - has only just begun.

Comments
February 25, 2009 at 11:07 am
(1) DC says:

What do you expect. The truth is seen the light after all. Of course this is a major cover up, there are too many things in the game, the vaccines program, the people trust, economic interests, people’s reputation and financial incomes… but never is taken into account the 1 in 64 families affected by autism. Shame on the media.

February 25, 2009 at 11:11 am
(2) DC says:

1 in 64 comes from the cummulative effect. You have adults, children, teenagers in the group. You do not need to be that smart to figure it out.

February 25, 2009 at 12:13 pm
(3) Angela McDonough says:

The gov forces us to vaccinate. Even thretens us if we dont then they dont want to admit what they have done to our kids . Here is the thing that little paper they give us with all our kids shots listing possible side affects of certain shots . In most if not all cases the 1 of the listed side affects is BRAIN DAMAGE and seizures. My son has severe Limb apraxia as well as Autism and it happend with in days of his second to lasts set of shots IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK

February 25, 2009 at 12:56 pm
(4) Bill says:

What’s the big deal? What has changed? Autism is a behavioral symptom, not a disease, therefore it would be unreasonable for someone to get an award for autism per se, only an award for a specific disease which has autism as one of the symptoms. If you can prove you are one of the infinitesimally small percentage who have an adverse reaction to a vaccination, fine, that’s exactly what that fund is for, to pay that extremely rare case where a vaccine causes harm. Look at the statistics folks; if you agree with the inflated 1 in 150 number for the community which share some sort of autistic symptom, then the number of members of this community is so huge, that there would be no problem teasing out a connection between autism symptoms and vaccines in a large population because it would be a large percentage, yet study after study finds nothing. And if you look at the millions of vaccinations given, and only a handful can prove they were harmed, then that is exactly what would be expected for one in a million adverse outcomes. The conspiracy theorists are also ignoring this age of instant internet communication. With all of the turnover of employees, and the free and open access to blogs like this, if large studies were rigged, we would have found out about it from whistle-blowers long ago. There is nothing to stop you from communicating worldwide; sometimes I blog in the Berlin newspaper!
(I speak German and several other languages)
I am sure there are people who hate to see me write a single sentence, but that doesn’t stop me. (and no, I never go back and read if I have provoked someone into responding specifically to me, I only have an hour for lunch, and tomorrow is another day!)

February 25, 2009 at 2:27 pm
(5) another ASD parent says:

I think the problem is the complexity of the injury and outcome of the child. Each child with autism is so different in how the injury “takes affect” varies by the individual. (For example: why are some allergic to penicillen, why do some respond to chemotherapy positively and others die.)

Vaccines play a role for many children with autism – not all. My guess in the majority is an issue as today we have regressive autism and it did not exist before the 1980′s. That just so happens to co exist with the timeline of the vaccine combinations, additives, and additions to the schedule.

Co-morbid medical conditions have also greatly increased (have you ever met a child with autism that was just autistic?) Generally speaking autism usually comes with 1 or more medical issues such as apraxia, gastrointestinal distress, allergies, sleep issues, and dozens of other issues.

I think the government has much to fear. They keep telling us WHAT DOES NOT CAUSE Autism but won’t recognize the increase or look for the answers or science as to WHAT DOES cause autism. This reminds me of OJ looking for the “real” killers or cigarette manufacturers telling us how wonderful smoking is for humans. The only problem: These children had no choice & their parents thought they were doing the right thing.

February 25, 2009 at 2:28 pm
(6) Angela McDonough says:

So basicaly what your saying is you dont beleave autism is at 1 in 150 kids and if it is the shots OH WELL AS LONG AS ITS NOT YOUR KID ITS NO BIG DEAL My son could have gotten the compensation fund exspect for 1 tiney little problem The doctors wouldnt not tell us what was wrong with him till the statute of limitations ran out 3 yrs after I noticed his problems

February 25, 2009 at 6:19 pm
(7) MC says:

Lisa,

could you please not use “autism activists” when describing groups like Generation Rescue, SafeMinds, etc?

Autism activist and autism advocate are already bad names with legislators. We really need to point out that those of us fighting hard for kids and adults to get better services, more respect and a better life are not the same people pusing the vaccine causation idea.

There is a real cost to the community as a whole from these groups. The manner in which they work is dishonest–and it is obvious. This latest bit is old news. It is literally painfully obvious that they held this back until after the Omnibus decisions.

February 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm
(8) Sandy says:

The Government does not force any one to vaccinate. There are laws however pertaining to public schools and day care, get vaccinations or a waiver. Your choice.

Why wait for doctors? If a child obviously had something wrong going on, you don’t need a diagnosis to file a claim. Don’t blame the doctor for statute of limitations.

“Bailey Banks, now 10, argued that their son had a seizure 16 days after his first MMR, in 2000. That, they said, led to Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare neurological disease, which in turn led to PDD” “The court said in its decision, Bailey “more likely than not suffers from PDD, and not from autism.”

We’re not talking about autism here at all in this court case. And we all know (or should) a PDD-NOS diagnosis does not mean autism, it is a catch-all diagnosis when one doesn’t fit any other. The injury of vaccine in Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis. It usually occurs following a viral infection but may appear following vaccination, bacterial or parasitic infection, or even appear spontaneously. As it involves autoimmune demyelination, it is similar to multiple sclerosis, and is considered part of the Multiple sclerosis borderline
diseases. The incidence rate is about 0.8 per 100,000 people per year.

We’re talking about some thing else than autism here, that Generation Rescue is building into something else, and again printing huge newspaper ads with wrong stats to shock the public.

I would also agree, there is a difference between autism activists and those that print full page misleading ads. Autism activists generally are not single-sided to one issue relating to autism, either.

February 25, 2009 at 7:19 pm
(9) Sandy says:

The ad is also self serving to Kirby and Kennedy JR. In the ad, along side of print as follows “PDD [autism]” is also not what the judge said. And “Congress is 1986 created the mysterious Vaccine Court”.
Talk about manipulating the public.

February 25, 2009 at 7:43 pm
(10) MJ says:

Note: I am not at all sure where the 1:64 figure comes from, since the official figure at this point is 1:150.

I think the 1 in 64 families comes from one of two choices (take your pick) :

A) Thin air.
B) The average of ~ 2 kids per family. The math does not work exactly but it comes close.

February 25, 2009 at 7:45 pm
(11) autism says:

Sandy, you say: “we all know (or should) a PDD-NOS diagnosis does not mean autism, it is a catch-all diagnosis when one doesn’t fit any other.”

Actually, PDD-NOS is considered to be a part of the autism spectrum. It really does mean “autism.” Of course, kids with that dx may have a wide range of symptoms, but they’re all considered to be ASD.

Lisa (autism guide)

February 25, 2009 at 8:44 pm
(12) Sandy says:

Actually PDD-NOS means it’s part of the PDD category and doesn’t mean autism. Autism and Aspergers is also part of the PDD category but they are not the same diagnosis. The PDD category contains about 5 things, PDD-NOS is in fact given when the child does not fit any of the other 4 diagnosis. It’s a catch-all diagnosis that’s been controversial for years.
The child by diagnosis, did not have autism.

February 25, 2009 at 8:49 pm
(13) AutismNewsBeat says:

Kirby is the PT Barnum of paid publicists. Vaccine court is not “mysterious”, and anybody who reads Kathleen Seidel’s excellent blog, Neurodiversity, would know that Banks is one of 17 cases where the VICP has awarded compensation to vaccine-injured children with autism or related diagnoses.

Kirby conveniently ignores the dearth of evidence linking measles-containing vaccine with encephalopathy, encephalitis, or ADEM. To do otherwise would spoil the illusion. The fact that MMR and ADEM is a table injury illustrates the difference between a legal and scientific determination of causality. Poling was primarily compensated for MMR/ encephalopathy. The Banks case went to a hearing because the scientists at DHHS found little evidence for ADEM. The judge found differently.

Lisa, it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what’s going on here. The anti-vaccine movement initially put its faith in science. That didn’t work out, so its energies shifted to the courts where the standard of proof is so much lower. That’s why the Court of Claims’ decision has Kirby and his peeps so rattled. So with two strikes against it, the movement is taking its show to the court of public opinion, employing liguistic sleights of hand and dusting off old urban myths for one last go at it. Kirby and RFK even play the Amish card – how pathetic is that?

If today’s media blitz keeps the anti-vaccine community abuzz “for quite a while to come”, it’s because journalists like your yourself are still inventing balance where the evidence clearly points to one side. It’s OK to take sides. Really.

February 25, 2009 at 8:56 pm
(14) autism says:

According the NIH:

“The diagnostic category of pervasive developmental disorders (PDD) refers to a group of disorders characterized by delays in the development of socialization and communication skills. Parents may note symptoms as early as infancy, although the typical age of onset is before 3 years of age. Symptoms may include problems with using and understanding language; difficulty relating to people, objects, and events; unusual play with toys and other objects; difficulty with changes in routine or familiar surroundings, and repetitive body movements or behavior patterns. Autism (a developmental brain disorder characterized by impaired social interaction and communication skills, and a limited range of activities and interests) is the most characteristic and best studied PDD. Other types of PDD include Asperger’s Syndrome, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and Rett’s Syndrome. Children with PDD vary widely in abilities, intelligence, and behaviors. Some children do not speak at all, others speak in limited phrases or conversations, and some have relatively normal language development. Repetitive play skills and limited social skills are generally evident. Unusual responses to sensory information, such as loud noises and lights, are also common.”

As I read this, PDD’s include all the autism spectrum disorders. Period. So, at least IMHO, PDD and ASD are in essence synonymous.

Lisa

February 25, 2009 at 9:04 pm
(15) autism says:

ANB – I agree on some points, but have to go back to the reality that clearly some kids with ASD’s have received compensation from the vaccine court on the basis that their “autism-like symptoms” were caused by vaccines.

Assuming that the court is correct (and they could be wrong), what would you say is the distinction between “autism-like symptoms” and autism? From where I sit, there’s really no difference, since autism is not defined by a set of causes but rather by a set of symptoms.

Of course, this is a bit tricky, but – if a child is brain damaged and exhibits autism-like symptoms, should he be dxed as brain damaged or as autistic? “Brain damage” is an awfully general dx, and not very helpful for seeking appropriate treatment/education; “autism” at the very least does lead to specific services.

Encephalopathy is a very vague dx, and could certainly entail autism-like symptoms; if a child appears autistic, and his autism was caused by hypoxia or some other event, is he still autistic? Should he receive autism-appropriate services?

I think these are the types of questions being addressed to some degree by the court.

Lisa

February 25, 2009 at 9:19 pm
(16) Sandy says:

The ‘autism spectrum disorders’ really isn’t a category, it’s an easier phrase later used by many.

You could say “a person with aspergers has PDD.” A person with Retts has PDD” but you can not say they have autism.

As per NIH, the child had a ‘type’ of PDD, which “other types of PDD include Asperger’s Syndrome, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and Rett’s Syndrome”.

Regardless, the court in this case stated ““The court said in its decision, Bailey “more likely than not suffers from PDD, and not from autism.”

February 25, 2009 at 9:30 pm
(17) Sandy says:

The child in this case, just like in the Poling case, had an underlining cause prior. Many kids who had the MMR vaccine and later has autism did not have what the Poling child had (which included more than the MMR vaccine, there were 9 all together) nor did the child suffer from Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis. The interesting thing is this occured 16 days after the vaccine, so the event that caused Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis could maybe had been the vaccines, maybe some other virus exposure, it would be hard to tell but for what ever reason, the court then found a relation to vaccines. If you contract Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis, a later result can be cognititve delays.

Generation Rescue is trying to prove more of this case than there is. Their ad lumps two cases together as if it means something if they were put together but when both cases are looked at separately, one can see there is more to it than a simple jab of the MMR and most cases filed with that lump suit do not at all fit these two cases at all. Generation Rescues ad is a clear cut retaliation via the public for the recent denied cases.

February 26, 2009 at 11:22 am
(18) Dee says:

Sandy,
I have never heard anyone say that PDD isn’t autism because that’s just a very unintelligent thing to say. You are just so sure that you have a point, and you really don’t. PDD is the umbrella category that autism and autism “like” disorders fall under. It’s the broad heading! For example, let’s look at the category for Oak trees. There are several types of Oak Trees including Great Oak trees and Druid Oak Trees. The trees are a little different in appearance, but they are both Oak Trees. Saying that PDD-NOS isn’t autism is like arguing that a Druid oak tree isn’t an oak tree because it isn’t a great oak tree. If the child has the diagnosis of PDD-NOS, then the child is just short a few symptoms of autism, or Asperger’s. So, the child had PDD, and maybe the vaccine injury didn’t cause one or two symptoms that would qualify it as autism or Asperger’s, but SO WHAT! Oh, please let me go up to someone who has cancer that a court ruled was clearly caused by exposure to radiation and tell them that it isn’t a specific type of cancer so it doesn’t matter???? Or there’s the leukemia category under the cancer category and so let me argue with someone that the court ruled that they had cancer and not specifically leukemia or a cerain type of Leukemia!!! The court just went with the broad heading. It really doesn’t make any difference at all that the child is diagnosed with PDD instead of autism. You just don’t have a point with that at all.

I also want to say that I have mixed feelings and viewpoints about this issue, so I am not one who would automatically argue that PDD is or isn’t caused by vaccinations. I want the truth, but I just had to say something because what you said about PDD not being autism was just so outlandish. Parents with children who are diagnosed with PDD have the same and as many struggles and face the same issues regarding the vaccine controversy as parents whose children are diagnosed with autism which is a category of PDD. I just can’t believe you said that, and I have never gotten so mad at anyone. “Oh, the judge ruled that you were a horse, but he didn’t say you were a Palimino horse!” Anyway….

February 26, 2009 at 11:50 am
(19) Diane says:

There are probably many parents who have no idea about reporting the injury to Vaers. My doctor didn’t tell me. I didn’t find out about it until he was diagnosed which took 3 years, because of the red tape and no one wanting to make the diagnosis. I now get a letter about every 2 years from VAERS asking me if he has improved to which I respond NO!!!! I know about doctors who conveniently forget to fill in their patients. Since I had never had this issue before, I was just ignorant. Even after the vaccine damage, which the doctor admitted, he still tried to goad me into giving further vaccines.

February 26, 2009 at 1:09 pm
(20) JB Handley says:

Lisa:

I appreciate you stating:

“but have to go back to the reality that clearly some kids with ASD’s have received compensation from the vaccine court on the basis that their “autism-like symptoms” were caused by vaccines…what would you say is the distinction between “autism-like symptoms” and autism? From where I sit, there’s really no difference, since autism is not defined by a set of causes but rather by a set of symptoms.”

Thank you! I think that’s really all our side is trying to say. These poor parents are dealing with a Herculean task:

- The mainstream does not want to fund real research on vaccines/autism
- But, they need to go to court and prove their kids were vaccine injured

Someday, I believe we will be thanking the Polings and Banks for being the pioneers who helped proved what happened to our kids.

JB Handley

February 26, 2009 at 1:51 pm
(21) Sandy says:

Many people get confused about the PDD’s and I wouldn’t say they were ‘unintelligent’ for that confusion.
PDD-NOS is not autism, they are in fact 2 different diagnosis and PDD-NOS it’s given when the criteria for any other PDD disorder can not be met. You also cant have a single diagnosis of simply PDD, it’s not a diagnosis; it’s the category of diagnosis. PDD itself stand for Pervasive Developmental Disorder, autism spectrum disorder’s really is what other’s added later in hopes to help with the confusion, just as the use of high functioning and low functioning. They are not diagnostic terms. All they are, are terms ‘we’ use. PDD-NOS is part of the PDD category, better known to many as Autism Spectrum Disorders. The use of PDD-NOS has been controversial for years, and in some states you get way less help from schools.
What the judge did in this case was shorten the diagnosis to PDD and left out the NOS. Maybe it was a typo, hard to say. What Generation Rescue did in their ad, was print “PDD [autism]” which further confuses the public. PDD (Pervasive Developmental Disorder) is not simply autism, it includes 5 total diagnosis not simply the one and the child was diagnosed with PPD-NOS which does mean that child had less deficits than one who had a diagnosis of autism. Interestingly, you don’t hear too much of this vaccine courts of which the child had asperger’s or PDD-NOS. It’s always autism, the most sever form of the Pervasive Developmental Disorder category.

The best article about this confusion is
CT FEAT: Families Helping Children Achieve Their Full Potential
What’s in a Name? The Disorderly World of PDD Labels
By Richard Irwin and B.C. (Members of CTFEAT)

http://www.ctfeat.org/labels.htm

VAERS is often not supported with information other than parental offered information. Because of this, that site cant offer scientific fact or without emotion.

February 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm
(22) Teri says:

What gets me is that parents are always looking to blame someon else fo their childrens problems, whether that be phisical or mental. When will they start taking the blame for their own gene pool! Could it be that the reason for the rise in Autism is because it is a new diagnosis for doctors to use, just like Hypoglycemia in the ’70′s and ADD is nthe ’80′s and, oh yeah, ADHD in the ’90′s. Give me a break. there are many of other environmental and/or biological causes for these disorders. Deal, accept and focus on taking care of your child. Years from now it will be another disorder discovered and blamed on vacines. Accivists have been trying to stop vacines ever since I can remember.

February 26, 2009 at 2:35 pm
(23) JB Handley says:

Teri:

Your ignorance is overwhelming. I feel badly for you.

JB

February 26, 2009 at 2:37 pm
(24) Sandy says:

The concept of genes will never get any where with Generation Rescue’s full blown ads encouraging blame, money and conspiracy. It could and probably is vaccine related but that would be the under-lining issue and it just so happen vaccines were the first trigger exposure. But in at least that Poling case that GR so kindly included, she did have a genetic main issue first and besides the 9 vaccines she’s had in one day, she could be effected by triggers all her life. I suppose those parents have a life time of blame and courts ahead of them.

Vaccine ‘mysterious’ court tells us nothing, other than people sued and gained funds. It tells us nothing of the true causes of autism. The sole purpose of vaccine court is to gain money, not cause.

February 26, 2009 at 2:48 pm
(25) Ken says:

Mr. Handley is lying – he is totally incapable of feeling badly for anyone except himself.

February 26, 2009 at 3:05 pm
(26) Sandy says:

JB Handley says: “Your ignorance is overwhelming.”

Other than being very disrespectful, not every one who has autism would be or is vaccine related, and as long as you can not acknowledge this fact, you and your site is only ‘Autism Activists’ for some with autism but not all.

1)The use of the Poling case in a full blown ad was mis-use. The over whelming evidence was 9 vaccines in one day and a genetic disorder, not a simple one time jab of the MMR.

2) The Judge in the Bailey case stated specifically ““The court said in its decision, Bailey “more likely than not suffers from PDD, and not from autism.” Yet the full blown ad clearly changes this to “PDD [autism]” despite what is in court records. 16 days after the MMR vaccine is interesting as well, since one can get Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis and never have a vaccine, one can then assume from this case if your child does contract Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis, your child more than likely will have a Pervasive Developmental Disorder.

3)And finally, we have yet to hear where those 1:64 autism rates came from.

It was a shock ad and typical of GR.

February 26, 2009 at 4:08 pm
(27) AutismNewsBeat says:

At first I thought that the 1:64 figures comes from dividing the CDC prevalence rate of 1:150 by the average size of an American family. But according to the US census, the average size is 3.14 people, which would yield an even scarier 1:48! Either way, the statistic is as meaningless as Mr. Handley is irrelevant. GR would rather agitate than educate, and Handley long ago jettisoned science and reason for sleazy guerrilla marketing techniques.

February 26, 2009 at 4:40 pm
(28) ae says:

this is the most civil participation i have read so far. i am glad to see people getting along, for the most part, even though the ideas/opinions may differ.

This reminds me a lot of the tobacco industry shake down in the early 90′s. It was discovered that they knew about the relationships to cancer and were in fact trying to come up with ways to make cigarettes more addictive. I guess they wanted to heighten addiction because they wanted to make money…not because they were attempting long-term genocide, but come on…really. They withheld information from the people and that is the same as lying to me.

i love my country but i do not trust many components of it…i mean i just look at all the big businesses and wall street greed and lies and i look at previous examples were big business (the tobacco industry) lied at the expense of others – now to me lying at the expense of one person is bad…so i dont really care if it is 1 in 150 or 1 in 64….if there is ONE child who is being effected by vaccines….geez, that says to me, lets look at this and fix it.

if a vaccine can be modified or swapped out, what is the problem?

oh right then somebody, like a large company, may look bad and have to pay money to change formula and compensate a handful of folks for something they may have caused.

This is a child we are talking about here.. A child may have been harmed by a vaccine that is not appropriate for them and people miss that as they clamor to “define” word and terms and get numbers right and other nonsense. When it is your child, the need to nail those statistics may disappear.

I hope these children get help and i am glad they have parents who are speaking out on their behalf because it is their duty to do so.

February 26, 2009 at 5:02 pm
(29) Sandy says:

The world at one time used alot of lead paint and other things that at the time was thought to be a great product, and no one knew if ingesting it would cause harm. As for tobacco, people including me know it’s harmful and still use the product. People would no less have an easier time to quit smoking if they knew this or not. People know McDonlads isn’t so healthy but we still eat it. Weed killer is unhealthy but we still use it. The fumes from gas is dangerous but we still fill up our cars. People still die from the measles so we (or some) still choose to vaccinate.

What we’re finding in all these court cases, it’s not about a single jab. It’s about multiple jabs in a day which is not the norm, and other conditions prior. Vaccines may not be what needs to be modified, maybe the knowledge prior of these conditions is it. These prior conditions aside from vaccines, triggers could be unavoidable antibiotics, an allergic reaction to something. The possibilities are endless. You may not ever be able to ‘fix it’ for that one child effected by vaccines if their genetic make up makes them an individual when most all other’s do not have that same make-up. Science needs to find solutions for all genetic make-up prior to any and all medications and vaccines.

Inaccurate and scare tactic info (ad) is no manner to inform the public. If the ad has any effect at all, this time next year we’ll be talking about more than the autism rates.

February 26, 2009 at 5:04 pm
(30) JB Handley says:

Sandy:

I don’t believe all cases of autism are caused by vaccines.

I’m acknowledging this fact.

You may want to ask Bailey’s parents if he has autism before trying to argue he doesn’t, IMO.

JB

February 26, 2009 at 5:10 pm
(31) JB Handley says:

Sandy:

You wrote:

“What we’re finding in all these court cases, it’s not about a single jab. It’s about multiple jabs in a day which is not the norm, and other conditions prior.”

You are sorely, sorely mistaken. The CDC’s schdule, which you can read here

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/cdc2008.pdf

, calls for the following vaccines at 2 MONTHS OLD:

1. Hep B
2. Rotavirus
3. DTAP
4. HIB
5. PCV
6. IPV

In America, this is how it is done. I was in these visits for my own sons, and they lay all the shots out and then give them.

If you don’t know this, you are ignorant. JB

February 26, 2009 at 5:51 pm
(32) Sandy says:

Being a little more respectful would more help your statements.

# one, the Heb b has a range of recommendated months.

# two, if you think a parent can not have these vaccine spread out, or that they have to all be given on that same day, or not have them at all exactly at two months old, then your not very well informed. Many times vaccines are delayed due to colds and illnesses.

Finally # three, your ad specifically only directs main attention to the MMR, so vaccines at 2 months old has little bearing on this topic. “Over whelming evidence vaccines cause autism” is what the ad states but at the same time failed to tell the public about the Encephalomyelitis occurring 16 days after the vaccine, nor the 9 vaccines in one day due to catch-up vaccines and pre-existing mitochondrial. The Poling case alone shows she did not follow that ‘recommended’ PDF file of vaccine schedule, proving parents did and still do have vaccine choice. The choice has always been there. If Americans failed to use that choice, it’s not really America’s fault.

February 26, 2009 at 5:54 pm
(33) Sandy says:

I forgot # four, the ad failed to mention the other evidence of 3 recent denied court cases.

Not a very even score.

February 26, 2009 at 6:17 pm
(34) autism says:

Hi, folks. No need to get quite so personal here…

Quite honestly, I don’t think we know whether 3 vaccines or 9 vaccines or 100 vaccines are too many at once for any particular child. The research isn’t there to tell us that X number of vaccines are or aren’t safe for a child with ABC issues, no issues, or even a mild cold. I’m not sure I see the point of getting in each other’s face on issues about which we don’t have the data.

As regards the “is PDD the same thing as autism,” well, if you feel that “autism” = “classic autism,” then it probably isn’t the same thing. If you feel that “autism” = “autism spectrum disorder” then it probably is.

I hate for us to get caught up in the “whose autism is REALLY autism” debate. It just doesn’t seem to me to be particularly useful relative to this conversation (though of course it’s an important question overall).

I have no idea whether some of the Vaccine Court complainants have kids with Asperger Syndrome or HFA… if they do, those kids would still fall under the ASD and PDD umbrellas, even if there aren’t “classically autistic.”

Lisa

February 26, 2009 at 7:19 pm
(35) Sandy says:

The reason why “whose autism is REALLY autism” is important since the court hearing was sure that any one knew they considered the child “not autism” but PDD, and then how GR was sure to change that in an ad. It’s also important that those 3 cases that were denied did not have circumstances as the cases the GR ad portrayed. It’s also important because other things can and does mimic autism.

The autism spectrum disorder umbrella was created for people to to better understand the confusing different levels within it. An in home therapist way back tried to explain to me the PDD’s and of course, she lost me. She then said “think of it like this…” and the spectrum umbrella was born. I still have a business card from the first private speech pathologist that wrote her thoughts on the back. It didn’t say Spectrum disorder’s. it said “child has some form of PDD disorder”.

In reality, what matters is how doctors and Judges view it as part of the PDD’s.

Still wonder where 1:64 came from. In a news paper that has circulation of 2,200,000, they should have the benefit of a national rate as opposed to a single state rate (which is where I beleive that 1:64 came from). There is no where on that ad that directs anyone to where the accuracy of the information was made from, other than GR site itself, Kirby and Kennedy and a very small thanks at the bottom to McCarthy. Honestly, the ad is self promoting.

February 27, 2009 at 9:02 pm
(36) Alyric says:

Don’t forget for a moment that JB’s ad lies to the Americal public at least three times, four if theres a prevalence figure of 1:64 cited.

Number one is to add [autism] to PDD, which it isn’t. PDD is a very global term for developmental delay and does not necessarily mean there must be one of the ASDs. Autism has some other requirements than developmental delays. Otherwise any encephalopathy down the pike gets called autism. Of course that is what happened with the Poling case and what GR is trying to do with the Banks case. And here we come to the crux of those other two lies. The ad does not say that ADEM is so rare, at 1-2 cases per million it is clearly not relevant to autism statistics because it’s much too rare to influence prevalence rates. ADEM in not going to save ordinary autism parents and here is why. The ad does not say that ADEM has a unique MRI profile which is not shared at all by autism. The chance that ADEM could have anything at all to do with autism is about zero.

This is not the first time that GR has tried to fancy up or even totally misrepresent the facts to follow their narrow agenda. They should be called to account for this one no matter how many thousands the ad cost them. This is false advertising to the American public.

August 21, 2009 at 3:03 pm
(37) AlexKenas says:

Mr. Handley, I apologize for the fact that I have to burst your bubble, but you are one of the most ignorant activists in the autistic community. One of your statements was that autistic adults don’t exist. It shows the extent of your ignorance since autism was first studied during WW2. The children in the original studies by Doctors Kanner and Asperger are now in their 70′s, assuming that they are still alive. There is also speculation that Einstein, Sir Isaac Newton, and various other historical figures were autistic due to autistic traits displayed and recorded.

If mercury was the sole cause of autism, autism would have common symptoms with mercury poisoning which are skin-oriented. In 1993, Sweden banned Thimerosal from all of their vaccines and yet their autism rates increased. The thimerosal hypothesis was a reasonable hypothesis due to its neurological effects. However, it has since been debunked along with the bad-parenting hypothesis.

Do not for one second assume that you, Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, or any other
vaccines-cause-autism denialist are the representatives of parents of autistic children. Many of whom cannot stand people such as yourself due to poor character. A lot of parents of autistic children would not change their children for the world. In contast, people such as yourself would do it so fast that the chain holding the pen to the clipboard holding adoption paperwork would snap off.

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