To confirm my beliefs, I checked in with the source: Dan Olmsted of Age of Autism. As readers may know, the "Age of Autism" journalistic series was a huge investigative project conducted by Olmsted over many months under the auspices of UPI. The upshot of the Age of Autism series, for Olmsted himself, was the creation of the Age of Autism online journal - which focuses almost exclusively on supporting biomedical interventions for autism. Olmsted and Handley are close colleagues, and Age of Autism is actually a project of Generation Rescue.
So I was certainly surprised to learn from Dan Olmsted that Jenny's claims are perfectly appropriate! Here's what he says:
I think it's fair to say that Jenny was the first to really raise this issue on national TV in any depth. I think Katie Wright got to say the word "vaccine" on Oprah in an earlier discussion of autism but it was pretty peripheral. I do think the idea that Jenny got the discussion on the national media radar is correct.Who knew?! Evidently Jenny McCarthy has been a greater influence that I ever imagined. I'll be writing more about Jenny and her impact on the American public in later blogs. For now, though, I'm interested in your thoughts on Dan Olmsted's assessment of Jenny's impact.
A few years ago, Jenny was just a pretty... well, let's just say people were admiring more than her face. Then, she was a writer - but her books were hardly best sellers. Today, not only is she a best selling author and media darling - but she's also the driving force behind a movement that, by anyone's assessment, is likely to have a major impact on public health in the United States - and possibly beyond.
All I can say is... wow.
…she’s also the driving force behind a movement that, by anyone’s assessment, is likely to have a major impact on public health in the United States – and possibly beyond.
Not to mention the dead and disabled children whose parents are gobsmackingly dumb enough to listen to Jenny McCarthy instead of people who, you know, actually studied medicine.
I’d say we have to look beyond the Oprah show, who for years would never do a show on autism due to the controversy. Katie Wright opened the doors for it and so did her father and Imus. Imus more so. Ms. McCarthy is just following what they started and in the end, what happened to Katie was speaking out of turn and now you never see her again. Same can happen to Ms. McCarthy. And what was it that was so important that Ms. McCarthy said about vaccines anyway? And does it really matter? Was it the first time it was said on TV? I watch many shows and news shows, there’s a lot out there on the vaccine topic to begin with. She’s no doctor, scientist or in the medical field at all. She is someone with an opinion just like the rest of us. I think it’s a matter of self proclaiming what she thinks she is. As I said earlier, all these topics of vaccines, biomeds and interventions have been around for years. The difference is Ms. McCarthy probably paid no attention to those speaking about it, until it effected her.
well, it does sound like Jenny has done more than just follow others’ lead – she really is out there breaking ground. For better…. or worse.
AutismNewsBeat, I know it’s hard to imagine why anyone would buy into Jenny. But she is tapping into some very basic needs that people have to be taken seriously, believed, and empowered.
If there were better options available, perhaps she wouldn’t have the power she does. But quite honestly, even the most “scientific” approaches to autism treatment are, at best, just ways to improve behavior. They are far, far from cures.
I guess hope springs eternal, even if its founder is Jenny McCarthy.
Lisa (autism guide)
“the Age of Autism online journal – which focuses almost exclusively on supporting biomedical interventions for autism.”
Yeah, quite true,. The rest of the time they are busy trashing and attacking anyone who may have the nerve to refute their bull.
Some of us have been concerned about the effects of vaccines and their ingredients for at least several years and have been following the science and pseudo-science (and political maneuvers) which attempt to assure us of vaccine safety, when this “safety” does not actually exist, since vaccines are not evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, and the potential to impair fertility. Jenny did not start the initial ball rolling, but she managed to roll it into the public sphere or arena, allowing more people to become aware of the issues concerning the safety of vaccines. Thank you, Jenny! Let’s not listen to the doom predictors. Many of us parents are survivors of the relatively mild childhood diseases our children are now being vaccinated against, often to their detriment in some other way.
If one reads Ms. McCarthy’s story on Generation Rescue, at age 2 and a half her son was having convulsions and was diagnosed with epilepsy. A few weeks later he had another seizure which required CPR. She went for a second opinion because for some reason she didn’t think these seizures were related to epilepsy and got the diagnosis of autism, not epilepsy. She speaks here about God giving her many hints, but not actually relating vaccines to these seizures and quite frankly although many kids with autism also have seizures (mine doesn’t) they are two different things. An interesting note, those children with Celiac can resemble the same of what Ms. McCarthy described on this GR site. Maybe her child was being starved of nutrition (not autism) and that’s why she seen such improvement and loss of seizures. Ms McCarthy does mention way down about that MMR shot that she called “the autism vaccine” so if she knew that, she couldn’t had been the first to speak about it in the media. She doesn’t happen to mention the age her son was at the time of the MMR vaccine in relation to those seizures.
I am assuming that Ms. McCarthy being an “Indigo adult,” and considers her son a “Crystal child” which is the belief that “indigo/crystal phenomenon is the next step in our evolution as a human species’ probably had much to do with her divorce than autism. She also talks about her divorce and again, it is one-sided information.
Ms. McCarthy is a confusing person, is all over the place being a spokesperson for many things and it’s hard to tell which or what her child actually has.
Sandy,
Issues with celiac problems can cause/affect seizures. I can’t blame Jenny for being confused at first and clutching at various straws, so to speak. However, knowing what she knows NOW, I do believe that she would like to distance herself from the “indigo child” stuff she came across, before she had access to more/better information. I already had that impression when I attended a televising of her interview with George Strombolopolous (sp??)some months ago, here in Toronto. Haven’t some of us been in that uncomfortable spot at one time or another? It just looks bigger on Jenny, because she is in the public spotlight.
Sandy, for more info on gut issues, gluten, and seizures, search all you can about Elaine Gottschall’s work and findings. Following the SCD or specific carbohydrate diet may alleviate seizures for some people. You can learn more about this diet at http://www.breakingthe viciouscycle.info .
Maybe you missed my point. She thought she was an Indigo, she took her own child’s seizure medication to ’see what it was like’ and thought she’d get an accurate assessment even though the dose would reflect her weight nor does she even have seizures herself so whatever she felf the results were, was hardly a Warrior mom thing to do and illegal. If the County knew any of us was ingesting our kids medication for experimental purposes, our kids would be yanked away. She made this public, and there she is on national TV talking Warrior mom’s. It just looked bigger on her because it actually was. Now she’s the loudest voice out there above any before her. I bet she wishes I may forget some of these past media things she’s said.
The Generation Rescue blurb I read was newer, as well as many other pages reflecting her new book and her BF Jim. Of course her Indigomoms site is no longer running.
I do have research about seizures as well, thanks for the link. My point was too that seizures is not the same as autism. So maybe her child was celiac, or gut issues. Change the diet the seizures end but if the child truly has autism, that would remain. It then means the behavior the child displayed was due to and diagnosed as something else. But it’s hard to say, Ms. McCarthy has much to say about many things.
It’s not a sure thing that Evan has autism.
Jenny is my hero!
Whether or not you agree with her, or think her son had autism, or if you are pro-vaccine, or if you don’t believe that biomedical intervention can reverse autism…
I think Jenny McCarthy was the first person to bring national media attention to autism and how it may relate to vaccinations and how diet can have a profound positive impact.
I have seen first hand, how diet can “cure autism”. In fact, it inspired me to start a blog a couple years ago, and to create a new site with cooking videos to help parents learn how to prepare foods for the autistic child.
Go Jenny, Go!
Lisa, you said: “well, it does sound like Jenny has done more than just follow others’ lead – she really is out there breaking ground.”
Hogwash. She is being led around by her by the twits at GenerationRescue (these poor kids from being lab rats), and Age of Ignorance. She is clearly not an independent thinker, when she bothers to think. She used this canard as a means to rescue her failing career.
That should read: “She is being led around by her NOSE…”
Probe – you may, of course, be right … but if Dan Olmsted personally says that Jenny can claim the right to have made the vaccine issue a public concern, I assume he means it. I don’t think he, Kirby, Handley, or any of the others involved with the “anti-vax movement” (for want of a better name) would hand over credit if it weren’t due.
Lisa (autism guide)
Generation Rescue makes lab rats out of kids? More like pediatricians filling our kids with adult drugs for their problems after they get too many vaccines full of too many toxins before their bodies could dream of handling them. I’d say a kid is much better of with wheat and dairy out of their diet and some supplements than they are on risperdal, topamax, clonidine, etc etc etc EVERYDAY. Think again on who’s making lab rats out of kids!
Lisa: You wrote:
“A few years ago, Jenny was just a pretty… well, let’s just say people were admiring more than her face. Then, she was a writer – but her books were hardly best sellers.”
Here’s a NY Times bestseller list from 1994 showing Jenny’s book, Belly Laughs, on the non-fiction NY Times bestseller list. This was well before anything to do with autism. So, what you have written above is simply a falsehood that should be corrected.
Moreover, this whole piece comes across as snide and trying to invent news that doesn’t exist. Anyone with half a brain knows how extremely groundbreaking Jenny’s appearance on Oprah was. 10 million viewers, for the first time, got to hear our story.
To try and portray Jenny as taking credit away from others is adsurd, ignorant, and, I think, belies the extreme bias you actually have in your views on autism.
If you have a personal point of view on vaccines and autism, just spell it out so everyone knows who you are, as I have done.
Your fake objectivity is getting old and rather annoying. No one need read any further than your review of Paul Offit’s book to see where your sympathies lie – you didn’t challenge even one single absurd thing that this conflicted idiot wrote.
Annoyingly yours,
JB
Actually, JB, I didn’t know a single thing about Jenny until about two years ago. Blame my age and gender, but I never got into reading Playboy, and haven’t watched a lot of MTV.
And the blog entry, if you read it carefully, does exactly the opposite of what you’re suggesting. It GIVES Jenny credit. As you’ll see, I checked in with Dan Olmsted to be sure I had my facts straight – and cited him directly.
I’m really not quite sure what you’re objecting to – unless it’s the undeniable fact that Jenny has bared all, often, in national media outlets. And that fact does make Jenny a surprising spokesperson – though, just as undeniably, she has made an enormous impact.
BTW – if you feel I have an extreme bias, you must be avoiding an awful lot of blogs out there. To be honest, I think I’m about as moderate as they come – on both sides of the conversation!
I can’t say that I believe my child’s autism was caused by vaccines, or that I’m convinced vaccines are in any way behind an epidemic – but I’m more than supportive of further research to look into immune issues, vaccine safety, and other concerns.
Best,
Lisa (autism guide)
“She thought she was an Indigo”
Recently in an interview she said this book was really an Indigo book. She did not state “She thought she was an Indigo”, quite the opposite, she stated or implied she *is* an Indigo and this book is really an Indigo book.
Could someone who has read it comment on this?
http://boomp3.com/listen/bycxk8yam_v/
Jenny explaining that she’s still an indigo
She refers to the TACA moms and angel moms are “definitely the indigos”
http://boomp3.com/listen/byd3v8pd6_o/
Game on! (giggle hiccup)
Mother Warriors “is really an indigo book.”
http://boomp3.com/listen/bycyczstt_a/
Hostess: “We ARE living in the age of the divine feminine and women are rediscovering their power.”
Jenny:
“They are!”
Which is exactly why on my blog lately I’ve been “thanking” Jenny McCarthy for the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases in this country. The antivaccine movement was slowly going down the tubes in the wake of revelations about Andrew Wakefield’s fraud and blatant conflicts of interest and under the barrage of study after study failing to find a link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. Then, in an incredible stroke of luck for you guys, Jenny graduated from the University of Google about vaccines and, even luckier, her D-List celebrity was hitched to the A-list celebrity of Jim Carrey when the couple fell in love. Now in a mere year she’s succeeded in spreading pseudoscience and toxic myths about vaccines to the masses in a way that even Don Imus failed at. She’s great at marketing. I only wish she weren’t so clueless about science. Then, instead of contributing to the resurgence of vaccine-preventable disease and promoting autism quackery, she could actually help autistic children.
By the way, your description of Lisa Jo as being “extremely biased” is pretty amusing to those of us on the side of science-based medicine. Personally, I think she’s way too “even-handed” about the pseudoscientific nonsense antivaccinationists like you and Jenny McCarthy spout and far too willing to bend over backwards to air “both sides” of this issue, to the point where I seriously question her critical thinking skills She’s fallen for the fallacy of the middle ground, otherwise known as false moderation. When there is an issue in which there are two opposite sides, the correct answer does not always fall somewhere in between, especially in science. Sometimes one view or the other is just plain wrong. Examples include creationism versus evolution (creationism is just plain wrong) or 9/11 Truthers versus the conventional history of 9/11 (the “9/11 Truth” movement is just plain wrong) When it comes to vaccines, you and Jenny and all your minions are just plain wrong. At the core, you’re no different than creationists or 9/11 Truthers.
And, no, I’m not being close-minded, just accepting the current evidence. Got direct evidence that vaccines cause autism that could compete with the huge body of evidence failing to show that they can? Present it in peer-reviewed journals and show me. If the evidence is compelling enough, I might start to change my mind. So far, I’ve seen nothing that even comes close to making me wonder.
Jypsy~ I used past tense, thought since she doesn’t really think it any more. Her son probably isn’t a Crystal child any more either. It probably was a phase for the media for all I know. Her Indigomom’s site isn’t in operation any more either.
The point was, this autism spokes person’s back ground.
Lisa Jo Rudy,
Could you see if my comment got caught in your spam filter, it had three links in it to audio clips of Jenny from an interview done a couple of days after the Green Our Vaccines rally. Jenny said she IS an indigo now, that the other mothers like herself (TACA and GR mothers, apparently) are also really indigos and that her book, “is really an indigo book.” That’s a quote.
http://boomp3(dot)com/listen/bycyczstt_a/
Thank you for freeing the last one, I know it’s a pain, but wordpress doesn’t like me.
Sandy,
Does she say this in the book? That would be contradicting what she said in the interview Ms. Clark & I are referring to.
From that interview:
SS: “You mention the word Indigo. What happened to your Indigo Moms website?”
JM: “You know I had to take that down and I was so sad to take it down, for a while anyways, it’ll be coming back up. People got really confused because I was coming out with Evan’s autism at the same time. And, they thought that I was healing Evan through Tarot cards instead of biomedical treatments. So I realized I had to separate my messages and I had to take down one message which is the indigo and crystals, for now. I said, ‘oh the world is getting confused with these two different paths,’ you know. I consider them to be one. But people aren’t quite there yet and I kinda had to, not lower my vibration, change my vibration to focusing on the world hearing that message. Hearing that biomedical treatment does help these kids. And then, slowly, you know I can put it in my speeches. and then in my last book I talked about the indigos and crystals. And I’m just like, I’m really following source, kind of I felt the need to do that, I’m just kind of dribbling it here and there until people, you know, have that spiritual awakening of spirituality.”
Either immediately after this statement, or later on, she reiterates this,
JM: “I was definitely feeling that from source.”
When speaking about her new book, JM says:
JM: “It’s really an Indigo book.”
The interview ends with Jenny’s message to the listeners:
JM: “The parents…the parents. It is time to take back your power. It’s time to remember your power. Go within. Remember you have a voice. We are the seekers and doers of change and it is possible as long as you believe it. So join me in this collective awakening, in this new world, so we can have a perfect world for our kids.”
My last comment (no links) got caught too…
Careful, Lisa. Mr. Handley sues bloggers who displease him. But he does make one point, albeit by accident: your strained objectivity is getting tiresome. Better to just expose Mr. Handley for his own personal attacks and junk science, and stick to evidence rather than conjecture. You’ll still be reviled, but at least you’ll gain a greater appreciation for the joke the bio-med cure industry has become. In laughter there is healing.
If you are going to be called a hack, it’s much better to shill for Galileo than Jenny McCarthy.
JM: I said, ‘oh the world is getting confused with these two different paths,’
She got that right.
JM: “The parents…the parents. It is time to take back your power. It’s time to remember your power. Go within. Remember you have a voice. We are the seekers and doers of change and it is possible as long as you believe it. So join me in this collective awakening, in this new world, so we can have a perfect world for our kids.”
Confused again, what power and voice is she talking about? Collective awakening?
Again, her back ground speaks wonders.
POSTED ON BEHALF OF JYPSY:
Sandy,
I was asking what she said in the book because of
what she said in the interview that Ms. Clark and I are referring to:
SS: “You mention the word Indigo. What happened to your Indigo Moms website?”
JM: “You know I had to take that down and I was
so sad to take it down, for a while anyways,
it’ll be coming back up. People got really
confused because I was coming out with Evan’s
autism at the same time. And, they thought that I
was healing Evan through Tarot cards instead of
biomedical treatments. So I realized I had to
separate my messages and I had to take down one
message which is the indigo and crystals, for
now. I said, ‘oh the world is getting confused
with these two different paths,’ you know. I
consider them to be one. But people aren’t quite
there yet and I kinda had to, not lower my
vibration, change my vibration to focusing on the
world hearing that message. Hearing that
biomedical treatment does help these kids. And
then, slowly, you know I can put it in my
speeches. and then in my last book I talked about
the indigos and crystals. And I’m just like, I’m
really following source, kind of I felt the need
to do that, I’m just kind of dribbling it here
and there until people, you know, have that
spiritual awakening of spirituality.”
Either immediately after this statement, or later on, she reiterates this,
JM: “I was definitely feeling that from source.”
When speaking about her new book, JM says:
JM: “It’s really an Indigo book.”
The interview ends with Jenny’s message to the listeners:
JM: “The parents…the parents. It is time to take
back your power. It’s time to remember your
power. Go within. Remember you have a voice. We
are the seekers and doers of change and it is
possible as long as you believe it. So join me in
this collective awakening, in this new world, so
we can have a perfect world for our kids.”
My previous opinion #26 still stands.
The fact that this site seems to attract so many people who don’t agree that Jenny is getting the attention that ‘mere parents’ of autistic children can’t get says something about this site leaning, whether implied or not, to vaccines, diet, toxins, etc., not having anything to do with autism. I don’t care if Jenny was an ex-Playboy model, a circus performer or a cavegirl with Mars; parents know their own children, and they can tell the different before/after a vaccine. If nothing else, they are smart enough to realize that aluminum, thimerasol, formaldehyde and fetal cells don’t belong in childrens’ bodies. If Jenny’s so bad, why can’t the pro-vaccine movement understand the fact of the ingredients she’s stating? We (Jenny and others) are just requesting safe vaccines, and safer vaccine schedules. It won’t hurt anyone else, and can only make things better. What’s so wrong with that? Diets work, as do supplements and other biomedical treatments. The proof is in the numbers, the thousands of autistic children who are improving. The numbers can’t be ignored and are getting higher daily. Don’t shut your mind to it but read actual stats at sites not biased towards vaccines.
If nothing else, they are smart enough to realize that aluminum, thimerasol (sic), formaldehyde and fetal cells don’t belong in childrens’ bodies.
Grandma, formaldehyde is the natural bi-product of single carbon metabolism. A banana has 35 mics of formaldehyde. A ten pound infant has five time more formaldehyde in her blood than what is found five vaccines.
Smart parents don’t listen to Jenny McCarthy.
I’m not sure Jenny’s approach or views suit every child diagnosed with autism because each child is different and since we have no exact cause, it would be dangerous to believe that one thing caused every single child’s problems. I will say she has made enough of a fuss over the issue to get people talking and researching autism.
I personally believe that there is a combination of factors that may or may not cause autism in a child. I believe that vaccines could certainly be the cause behind certain children’s autism, but I also think there was probably an underlying condition in such cases that reacted with the vaccine, such as the girl who won the supreme court case. I feel autism is too widespread to be just one thing. I very firmly feel there is an environmental factor involved as well as a genetic pre-disposition. But those are my beliefs and everyone is entitled – even Jenny.If she wants to toot her own horn, she’s entitled. It’s our freedom of speech to do so. We also have the freedom to ignore it if we so choose, no one says we can’t change the channel if something offends us…
us who have autism some who work in the felid dont like her .i think she should stickj to what she no acting .i dont belive anything she say .if her son doing so good why dosnt she ever bring hiom to connfernces or tv show she dose to let people see ,and to give parent faluse hope isnt right once autisc all way .no one ever say you recover from mental retrartion or cp an so on it redlious
Jenny’s kid was never autistic and she has no clue what Autism really is. Brain development is a genetic thing and a brain doesn’t develop in a few hours. An Alergic reaction is more than likely what happened and of course kids can and usually do get over things like that quickly. She is just milking that dry!
http://ourlifeline.net/andbabymakes3.htm
that what i say if a child recovey from autism .they never had it to being with .sometime a child can have a severe speach dely so when there lityte they may act likre thjey have autism .but once they start taking all those behavior go away
I have to say that I, too, wonder if Jenny’s son truly is autistic. As the mother of a young man who is 25 and diagnosed with autism at age 3 and a half, after questioning the doctors since he was 18 month, I personally am angry with Jenny’s statement, and I quote, “I did my homework; I cured my kid.” What does that say for the rest of us, that we’ve been sitting with our thumbs up our butts??? Then later, she says her son is on the road to recovery. Is he cured or not??? I truly feel that she has done more harm than good to the autism community. There is much passion on both sides of the vacine issue and still no definitive proof on either side. I can also see that it has revived her career and helped her to sell more of her books. Jenny is the only one benefiting from all of this. She is very self-serving. I, too, remember her indigo moms website which is no longer up and running. I wish I had printed some of the “crap” that she had on that site to share with others in the autism community now (those who think she is sooooooo wonderful).
Linda
Ms. McCarthy didn’t launch the Vaccine/Autism Controversy. Many have been speaking long before her son was evr born. But when one fades away, like Imus did, another steps in. I am still surprised some of the autism community doesn’t jump all over this as they did the Wright’s about a cure/ recovery. I think Ms. McCarthy seen a market, and jumped in on it, like so many other’s do. I don’t think she is doing much good and she certainly doesn’t conduct herself as a calm advocate either.
Vaccines have been the demonized and misunderstood since the days of Edward Jenner. Jenny is just another in a long line of opportunists who have capitalized on misplaced fear.
In a way, what she’s doing is a time tested method for marketing consumer products such as shampoo, mouthwash and fabric softener. First you highlight a problem that was never a huge concern. Then you offer the solution. The only difference is that while dandruff, halitosis and static cling actually do exist, the purported autism-vaccine link is woven out of whole cloth.
Jenny is my hero too as well as all of the other braves ones who stood before her. My family of 5 were all victims and it disgusts me that I was lied to about these diseases in the first place. Why? Vaccines = neurological & chronic diseases = prescription drugs for life (cha-ching). It totally disgusts me that the majority of comments on this blog are from doctors and scientists (aka Big Pharma employees). Go to scienceblogs.com for more info.
what r you taking about most of the coments are from parents an us on the spectrum
Who the people are who post here is an assumption and most often people accuse others of things they are not when one doesn’t agree. That cha-ching is also an assumption, which pretty much was coined by someone to help them feel better, for whatever reason, and many followed suit.
Vaccines were created for a reason, there’s no assumption on that end and it wasn’t to fill pockets with dough, either.
vaction has been around for a long time .if it cused autism there woukld have been a bigger amount alongf tiume ago .i feel there alot of reasion for more kids being dx. there a spectrum it use to only be the non veble child in a conner rocking back an foyrth head banging ,alot of ius were miss dx with ld an mr .also there are a lot of preemies surving an a lot of them end up with disibiltys .,there lot of reasion .when i was litte it was 1 in 10,000 .i bet if they had better dx back then the number would be higher like now
I find it so ridiculous that we all argue and fight with each other instead of accepting differences in opinions. If one thing works for my son, it may not work for yours. Why then feel the need to attack me….because you are bitter?? I will never understand the autism community. If we could all just grow up and have an appreciation for others views then we could really move some mountains together. The reason no one respects what we are all trying to teach is because of blogs like this. When someone who isn’t directly affected would read this they would immediately think we were all just insane.
I think people tend to forget that, yes, Jenny McCarthy was in Playboy and on MTV, but she is a PARENT like the rest of us who only wants what is best for her son. She is a fighter and doesn’t really care what any of you think about her…..she’s doing what she thinks is best for HER and HER CHILD. For those of you on here who are questioning and saying that her son doesn’t really have autism I have one question for you: how would you feel if you were in her position and had people telling you that your child wasn’t really autistic and was mis-diagnosed, etc.? I know that she knowingly and willingly put her life story in the media, but I bet the last thing she expected was to be scrutinized by her own autism community. I don’t agree with everything she has done in her past, but who hasn’t made a few mistakes in their lives. We always expect celebrities to be these perfect people…..Jenny is human like all the rest of us.
And one more quick thing, to the guy who said that Jenny has killed children who’s parents chose to listen to her and not their doctors……you sound a lot like a doctor yourself! It’s sad to me that you would feel that she is responsible for those deaths. I bet the parent’s of those kids wouldn’t respect or back your comment about that. They probably don’t regret doing any and everything they possibly could to help their child…..