Andrew Wakefield's study linking the MMR vaccine and autism sparked an international controversy. Even after the study was retracted, and even after major studies seem to refute an autism/vaccine link, many are certain the link is real. Where do you stand on Andrew Wakefield and the idea of an autism/vaccine link?
Why are there so many autism people?
- Many research papers are rubbish but can you think of any that have been hunted down for 12 years by many people with no visible means of supporting themselves?
Suppose Andrew was 100 per cent wrong. So what.
But there are tens of millions of autism people who 100 years ago were very few indeed.
Proof of harm from anaphylaxis was shown by hundreds of vaccine experts 100 years ago and Charles Richet for one got the Nobel Prize.
Professor G Stewart proved SEIZURES and PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE after early vaccines given at age 3 months.
Today vaccines at ONE DAY and / or TWO MONTHS and neurological damage hundreds or thousands of times higher than in the old days when vaccine harm was proven.
Yes vaccines do work, are very safe but enough people get damaged and people just throw their hands up in the air and deny SCIENCE of 30 years ago or 100 years ago which tell the real truth that you cant make an omelette without breaking eggs. Vaccines do leave people DAMAGED and DEAD.
- —Guest John Fryer
why measle outbreaks
- It's been quite awhile now since Wakefield has been under attack and deemed a fraud by those that are "questionable", why is it that there are measle outbreaks? Why didn't those newly informed run out and get the darn shot if they believe this? Who are we to blame for the current outbreaks in Europe? A month ago, two, six, shouldn't have the consumers of this media protected themselves and their children or are the vaccinated getting measles. What is wrong here just where can we place the blame now?
- —Guest barbaraj
- Some one here stated that science is not a popularity contest. Sadly, that person has no idea how science works when a billion dollar industry is heavily invested in particular outcome. Believe me, science IS a popularity contest when backed by that kind of money. Our peer review system has been purchased to the highest bidder.
I know very reputable scinence journalists who tell me MMR was screwed up, and those who did it hid their tracks. They know how, and which company did it. It was said in private, but never in public. But I can assure you the guilty parties worked like mad dogs to cover the mistake. But who cares about facts? Easier just to worry about a single scapegoat than the real problem. Mission accomplished.
Others working on this now have a lot more to fear, thanks to all of you overconfident mudslingers. Am I also to believe that H1N1 was dangerous? I didn't hear any apologies for that scientific lie either?
- —Guest Richard
Media reduction of issues
- There is plenty to be said in favour of Andrew Wakefield and against the media orchestrated campaign against him. We can argue about facts: the beatification or demonisation of one man doesn't really help intelligent debate.
As to Lisa's title, of course, the paper did not claim to link MMR with autism but it did report that some parents had associated the onset of symptoms with MMR vaccination, which is (or at least should be) something perfectly legitimate to investigate.
not a hero , just an honest man
- I've believed the take down of Wakefield was to satisify a purpose, to do damage to his name. While this may sound simple, there are volumes of studies in which he played an important role in the recognition and later treatment of serious bowel disease. By taking him out of the mix, many will refuse to use his foundation of information to further the studies that require more depth. The closer he got the more of a threat he was to big business(pharm), there isn't a study on any subject that could hold up against the powerful and their lies, especially in a new world where money buys science and the ink to print it. He said it required more study, and they certainly don't want that! We will be accepting of single shots, doctors will be paid for their efforts , not in millions like thornsen but high sums nevertheless. Wakefield will be better understood once the profiteers ( those making millions upon millions) lose their grip on the medical community.
- —Guest barbaraj
- It seems possible that some children may very well have a type of allergic reaction to the vaccines that kicks autism into gear and other children are not allergic to them. This doesn't seem too far reaching to be possible.
- —Guest Fabrizi
Science is not a popularity contest
- Wakefield and the Antivaccination movement played to the fears of many and offered a convenient target to blame - Big Pharma. And doesn't it sound so righteous, nay, so right?
Problem is, it wasn't. For all the profit motives pharma companies have, the vaccines do work and they do not cause autism. Science doesn't care how good it would feel to blame autism on a corporate conspiracy.
Science cares about the facts. And they say "No, sorry."
- —Guest Daniel
Wakefield is Right
- Wakefield has been chased by pharma and government for years. They want him quiet. Many more doctors know autism is caused from vaccines but saw what happened to wakefield over 10 years. A tradegy a good study hasn't been done- only government and big pharma studies. No good their bias. I know from my own eyes my daughter was perfectly normally until 5 shots at 15 months- never been the same since. Biggest tradegy on US soil.
- —Guest Denise
- I don't know what to think anymore or who to believe. I still have to wonder about the kids that are vaccinated and then immediately regress and have symptoms of autism. What about the vaccine-injury court... they wouldn't have that available for nothing.
- —Guest sue
wakefield is right!
- I've read his book, and it's the most intelligent, detailed explanation of everything that has happened in the last twelve years that anyone could ask for. The parents of the twelve children involved in the Lancet study totally support Wakefield. The pharmaceutical and medical behemoth is intent on crushing the bravest, most articulate spokesman for the families victimized by vaccine injuries, because it realizes that if it doesn't thousands of families will decide to take their chances with measles and mumps rather than buy their often life-destroying vaccines. Let's demand a study comparing completely unvaccinated children to those who have gotten all 36 of the recommended vaccines. The scientists say that it would be unethical to deprive the unvaccinated chldren of the disease protection of vaccines, and so such a study could not be carried out. But there are thousands of children whose parents have decided not to vaccinate them out of fear of the vaccines. Use them!
- —Guest cynthia parker
Wakefield is a fraud
- The results of Wakefield's 1998 paper have never been replicated. And the evidence is clear that the data in that report were fabricated.
pharm attack plan
- There has obviously been an all out attack planned, much like a war game, with the attack planned and sponsored by pharmaceuticals with their bought and paid for air time. Good move for war, not so sure it's not going to be countered by truth. Time will tell. It may suggest the truth was getting too close. Interesting to watch!
- —Guest barbaraj
The problem is bowel disease
- Dr. Wakefield did not lie. He did not fabricate facts. Watch Brian Deer on this video telling a mother, as she holds up a photo of her son's abdomen with colostomy bag hanging out, "That's not bowel diseases! That's diarrhea!"
As Jim Carrey said, "The problem is the problem." This particular problem is vaccine-induced autism with severe bowel disease. Listen to the stories of these parents. This problem existed before Dr. Wakefield's involvement, and it exists independent of what happens to him. He studied some children whose parents brought them to the Royal Free hospital with severe IBD and autism. He did not study or diagnose their autism, nor make any statements about what percent of people with autism have IBD. He and his colleagues, including world renowned John Walker-Smith, tried to better understand these severe health issues. They published a simple case series report on 12 children and called for more research.
- —Guest Twyla
- I look some study, say yes does cause some Autism. The're are parble other cause as Well. The queition prantes choice vaccuins saftey and efication, will disesites its. also it good bunase to give vaccines with out needs do to all people that fear needs and shot.
- —Guest N.K.
The facts speak for themselves
- You can't get much more fraudulent than lying/fabricating facts for your own personal financial gain.
Then there is the bigger picture. Instead of saying something like: "What Wakefield did was wrong, but this fact doesn't address our concerns about vaccines.."...no the anti's are out on CNN and with press-releases misrepresenting the basic facts and obscuring the fraud.
2 issues are left. (i) The legal proceedings...will any anti's end up in jail? I don't think so, but there will likely be financial penalties (e.g. jury awards in lawsuits).
(ii) Psychological research as to why people choose to ignore facts so they can cling to absurd beliefs...
- —Guest White Nerdy