A new study conducted in South Korea and published in the American Journal of Psychiatry suggests that autism spectrum disorders are far more prevalent than the present CDC estimate of 1:110. According to an article in CNN.com,
By looking at a total population sample in South Korea, the study authors estimate that 1 in 38 children in the country -- or 2.64% -- has some form of autism. The approach is a new one. Previously, researchers have examined only children known to have the neurological disorder or at high risk of developing it.
The study authors predicted that if similar studies were conducted in other countries, the prevalance estimates would also go up.
The research also led the study authors to believe that more girls than previously thought fall under the autism umbrella.
The study looked at over 55,000 12-year-old school children in regular Korean schools (not special education students), asking parents and teachers to fill out screening questionnaires and then following up, as appropriate, with more extensive diagnostic tests. Interestingly, what they found was, according to the New York Times, "Among the children with autism spectrum disorder in regular schools, only 16 percent were intellectually disabled, more than two-thirds had a milder form of autism, and the ratio of boys to girls was unusually low: 2.5 to 1. In addition, 12 percent of these children had a superior I.Q. -- a higher proportion than found in the general population."
While this study was in no way linked to a recent British study on the prevalence of autism in adults in the general population, it's interesting to note that another large "hidden" cohort of adults with autism - none of whom had a prior diagnosis - was recently described by the UK's National Health Service, and is presented under the headline "One in a hundred adults have an autism spectrum disorder":
Up until now, little was known about how autism affected people over the course of a lifetime. For example, autism rates could have been lower among older age groups because people had gradually recovered from the condition or died prematurely.
However, the study suggests that this is not the case and that prevalence of autism spectrum disorder remains broadly level across all age bands.
The British report goes on to note that they found no statistical connection between autism and the MMR vaccine, saying:
The survey fails to support suggestions of a link between the mumps, measles and rubella (MMR) vaccine and the condition. This is because, if MMR were a factor in the development of the condition, prevalence would be expected to be higher among children and younger adult age bands because MMR was introduced in 1990/91 and only those currently aged in their early twenties or younger have been routinely offered it.
Is there any evidence that the use of fetal stem cells in vaccines is associated with Autism? Do children diagnosed with autism have DNA that does not come from their parents?
Here’s an article about human cell-line cultures
http://autism.about.com/od/medicalissuesandautis1/f/vaxfetal.htm
DNA is in the meat and plants people eat.
Of the Korea study, what is interesting is the minority would be considered severe while majority would be mild. This would lead one to wonder about that better diagnosis as the reason for higher rates.
oops – sorry for reposting the same link. thanks, Sandy!
The link is worth reading twice, maybe 4 times. It’s very well written and easy to understand.
Is there any evidence that the use of fetal stem cells in vaccines is associated with Autism? Do children diagnosed with autism have DNA that does not come from their parents?
Yes Bette there is and they do.
The science of dna was far too new for it to have been allowed into a vaccine program..no one really knows what has happened..has the dna of another child filled in the dna strands of the host child..?? but yes, the heritable ( word) was being flung around quite a bit a few months ago..
Truth? IMO? science hasn’t caught up to their mistakes.
OK, first of all, there are no strands of human DNA in vaccines.
Please read my article on this subject: http://autism.about.com/od/medicalissuesandautis1/f/vaxfetal.htm
But EVEN IF THERE WERE, they wouldn’t get mixed up in the vaccinated child’s DNA, producing a child with DNA from three individuals. Genetics doesn’t work like that!
Yes, DNA can be damaged. Yes, mutations are possible. Yes, autism can be inherited. Yes, all these things could potentially be contributing factors in autism.
BUT. It sounds like you’re suggesting that it’s possible to inject a child with “autistic person DNA” and have them become autistic as a result. That’s like saying you could inject a child with “intelligent person” DNA and have them become intelligent as a result. If this is your theory, it is incorrect.
Lisa
The reason why we don’t grow pig noses or chicken feathers is because how the human body works and your own DNA would over ride any other DNA the human bosy would be exposed to on any given day.
That was suppose to be human body, not human bosy although I do know many humans who are bosy
In my defense, all the letters on my laptop wore off. I knew that ‘d’ was on the left side, some where.
Barbara…any DNA a child might have that is not originated from their parents in all likelihood would come from a live virus (from a viral infection) that has intercalated DNA into the genomic DNA (as happens with HPV). Injecting naked DNA into a person does not allow for that DNA to be incorporated into that person’s DNA because human cells and eukaryotic cells in general do not have mechanisms for taking up naked DNA. That’s a bacteria thing, not a human (or many/most eukarote) thing. Some fungi may do this, but for a person to be able to take up naked DNA from a vaccine or any other source is akin to saying that Aunt Edna could just hand some off to them over the dinner table. It’s not physically or chemically possible for human cells to do this.
We know this, for example, because of efforts at gene therapy. To get the target gene into the cell requires a number of complex manipulations of the gene and usually a viral vector of some sort because while cells don’t just take up naked DNA, a live virus can inject DNA into a cell. Scientists will take over the viral DNA, insert a whole and complete gene sequence into it, and then use the virus to get that complete sequence into body cells carrying a mutated sequence and replace it. This process requires the viruses because human cells don’t take up naked DNA. It would be kind of amazing if they did and a lot easier to cure diseases like cancer or even treat some aspects of autism…but they don’t.
Another way we know this is because it’s so hard to get DNA even into eukaryotic cells in a Petri dish, and researchers have to turn to one of several options that are tedious and expensive to get the DNA into the cells…one of them actually involves a little “gene gun” that fires the DNA into the cell, but that’s very hit or miss.
In other words, it’s damned hard to get naked DNA into a human cell, and we’re not going to take it up from a vaccine injection. Would that it were that easy.
To clarify, the virus is recognized by a protein on the cell and gets in and gets its DNA in via that entry point. Often, viruses use RNA as a starting point and then get it copied into DNA within the cell.
I have said all along that if many females go undiagnosed or misdiagnosed, then the numbers will have to go up once they are accounted for.
Also, as more countries improve their ability to make these diagnoses (more doctors, better educated, more able to do assessments on their population), the numbers will have to go up.
We see evidence of this all the time and yet these reasons are often dismissed in favour of using these numbers to support conspiracy theories.
China for instance didn’t have a diagnosis of autism until 40 year later than other countries did. So their autism rates prior would had been pretty low if any at all. Once they had the diagnosis added, of course the rates would be very different than prior. Yet China eats a lot of fish as maybe Korea does, and causes could be of other exposures.
Interesting with Korea is the amount in school without special ed or mental health intervention that would fit the criteria of autism, leading the reader to believe many are out there uncounted.
I think that it begs the question… What is a “disorder” and what is a “difference”? Where does the line get drawn in terms of something that needs treatment or to be “fixed”? With all of our informational super power are we just uncovering a portion of our population that learns and thinks differently? I’m not meaning to minimize the difficulties or real obstacles and challenges but just questioning our data power? I mean, how do we define giftedness or geeks or the intelligentsia? Brilliant, socially awkward, clumsy and fixated… Is this autism or just part of the population under a new microscope? Couldn’t there be a cheerleader syndrome, too? Pervasive Perkiness Disorder?
Dee – I think you may be onto something there!
Lisa
The usual standardized criterion for calling something a disorder or pathologizing it is if it interferes with the necessary functions of daily living. Obviously, necessary functions of daily living will vary from person to person, so what is a disorder for one person in their context might not be a disorder for another person in their context. And social constructs and expectations and culture play a large role in pathological interpretation.
This study doesn’t surprise me at all. In my daughters school, for every kid with an autism diagnosis, there are another two that should have a diagnosis and don’t. BTW, we live in one of the most progressive school districts in the country.
Also, did the adults with autism in the UK exhibit “mental regression and retardation, chronic seizures, and a host of hundreds of other physical ailments? I’m not talking about people like Kathleen Seidel here. The adults with supposed autism are not the same as our kids (which represent 80% of autism cases now).
Alice, where are you getting that citation or the 80% figure? So far as I know, there is no evidence to suggest that 80% of Americans with autism have “mental regression and retardation, chronic seizures, and a host of hundreds of other physical ailments.”
Also – It sounds like you’re saying the UK study used a different definition of autism than the one we’re using here… but I don’t believe that’s the case.
Lisa
It sounds like Alice is quote Thomas Insel, who noted that 80% of autism diagnoses are in children. That was quickly twisted into “80% of people with autism are children.”
Lisa!I never said there were “strands of dna in vaccines” where did I say this??. I said there IS DNA in vaccines!! I said it’s possible that areas on the host child’s “strands” could be filled in by another’s… We can not say that this is impossible, in fact it may be well the actual biological occurance that has brought about the heritable..the boutique and not inherited from either parent..YES we are injecting foreign dna into our children and no this does not in any way make it a joke of similarly eating a rare burger!!
WE DO INJECT DNA OF BOTH HUMAN AND ANIMAL ORIGIN INTO OUR CHILDREN
Barbara, what do you mean “there is DNA in vaccines” but not “strands” of DNA? DNA is made up of strands of molecules. That’s what DNA is.
And what do you mean by “it’s possible that areas on the host child’s “strands” could be filled in by another’s… We can not say that this is impossible, in fact it may be well the actual biological occurance that has brought about the heritable..the boutique and not inherited from either parent”? This doesn’t actually make sense… don’t know what you mean by “the boutique” or “the heritable.”
If you’re saying, as I think you are, that DNA from a vaccine is somehow inserted into a child’s DNA in place of the DNA he was born with, giving him the features of a person who is neither his mother nor his father nor any other blood relative then NO, it is NOT POSSIBLE. You are incorrect for several reasons.
Bear in mind, BTW, that every mosquito bite involves the injection of foreign DNA into your body. Thankfully, our DNA is not then partially replaced by mosquito DNA, and we don’t wind up with wings and a thirst for human blood.
Lisa
Barb, what happens when a child receives a blood transfusion?
And your point that DNA is injected (subcutaneously or intrarmuscularly) is relevant how? Is this because you’ve bought into the whole myth that aborted fetal cell lines used in the production of some of the vaccines that are available today are causing diseases?
You really need to take a breath, quit reading conspiracy sites, and by a nice primer on vaccines like Paul Offit and Charlotte Moser’s Vaccines and Your Child. You’d learn nifty things like “Vaccines don’t appear to have what it takes to cause the cascade of immunological events necessary for autoimmunity” (p. 47). Or that “several other studies found no evidence that vaccines increased the risk for allergic diseases” (p. 55). Or diabetes (p. 60). Or MS (p. 62).
I’m not sure why you think any of this human and animal DNA you are so worried about could possibly “fill in” parts of the child’s DNA unless you’ve been reading too many Dean Koontz novels, but I’m pretty sure based on your comments that the next wave of vaccine technology is going to be your bogey man if you don’t work at closing in some of your knowledge gaps. This fear is no different than the fear of folks two hundred years ago believing that the smallpox vaccine (from cowpox) would turn children into part cows.
It’s time to move away from science fiction and towards scientific evidence.
Sorry, science has not caught up to this , those such as offit have nothing to offer, certainly not the science to back their words. I find this increase real and frightening, and while anyone can suggest it’s okay, it’s normal, it’s genetic, I say sure, take a paxil and relax. No one really knows what the future will expose, to be complacent and suggest we do nothing but believe in our “medical establishment” isn’t going to save our species…and at these numbers don’t ya think it’s come to that? Hell we were quicker to fight for the eagles and the whales..what is wrong with us?
If anyone wants to explain to me, how dna is affected by reverse transcriptase..or recombinant dna…feel free, because I see science beating itself up trying to explain and not getting very far..sci fi..youbetcha..the answer among the chimeras and such may hold the truth..those talented screen writers may have the edge on the scientists..
Barbara, what are you really trying to say here?
Are you suggesting that we as a species are going extinct “like eagles and whales?” Or that we don’t know what recombinant DNA is? Or that screen writers whose business is to scare the pants off movie goers are telling “the truth” about biological research? None of this, honestly, makes a whole lot of sense.
From what I can understand from your posts, you’re convinced that there’s a conspiracy to shut you up or put you away… despite the reality that NO ONE is asking you to do anything of the sort.
If you were being shut up, would you be able to post your thoughts without fear of censorship or reprisal? If you were being told to “just take a pill,” would you have the option of debate?
I’m concerned that you’re creating horrors for yourself… but the reality is nothing like as interesting as the scenario you’re creating.
Lisa
Eagles and whales are on the brink of being extinct. That is hardly comparable to having autism and it’s on the edge of offensive to compare it to autism. I don’t see the human species becoming extinct due to autism. but in 1529, a measles outbreak in Cuba killed two-thirds. 1850s, measles killed a fifth of Hawaii’s people. 1964-65, the United States had an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases. This led to 11,000 miscarriages or therapeutic abortions and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. Of these, 2,100 died as neonates, 12,000 were deaf, 3,580 were blind and 1,800 were mentally retarded.
There’s where human extinction lies.
No one said autism is ok, not that I seen.
Actually, Barbaras’ point about issues with DNA in vaccines seems to be supported by a recent peer reviewed article in the Journal of Immunotoxicology, written by a dr with a PhD.(Dr Ratajczak). Like many people she feels there are multiple causes of autism, and apparently also states “The MMR II vaccine is contaminated with human DNA from the cell line in which the rubella virus is grown.”
She goes on to say”The human DNA from the vaccine can be randomly inserted into the recipients genes by homozygous recombination.”
I have not yet read the original article myself , but it seems pretty germane to the current discussion; apparently what Barbara is describing is considered likely enough to make it into a peer reviewed journal written by a PhD.
( I’m not sure; is she the doctor who used to work for a pharma company, and after she retired said she now enjoyed being able to research whatever she wanted? If so she would seem to have a lot of knowledge about the topic on hand.)
Re measles Sandy; actually I had rubella and mumps as a kid, along with most of my school friends. It was considered in those days, with our current levels of cleanliness, medical knowledge etc, to be about as scary as the flu.
Sometimes parents would even try and arrange to have all of their children catch it at once to get it over with. And of course, once a child had caught it they had life time immunity, unlike those who were only vaccinated.The biggest problem we had with those illnesses was being convinced not to scratch the itches..
Hera, I don’t know that particular article and will look it up.
It sounds extremely odd, however.
What does she mean that the vaccine is “contaminated with human DNA?” Yes, the virus is grown in a culture that contains DNA, but there is absolutely no reason to include human DNA in the vaccine – and based on everything I’ve learned to date from a variety of sources, DNA is NOT included in the vaccine, period.
What’s more, again based on my own research and understanding, it would take a miracle for homozygous recombination to cause DNA contained in vaccines to spontaneously combine with healthy, intact DNA in a given child.
And even if such a miracle were to occur, it would take a second miracle for such a recombination to have an impact on the child’s genome.
And even if such a double miracle were to occur, there’s no reason to think that it would result in autism.
Lisa
Is that the Dr Ratajczak who wrote about homologous recombinaltion tiniker? Did she have any data to back up her hypothesis? That whole article seemed like one speculation after another, with no real evidence for any of it.
Lisa, you can take it any way you like, I’m am arguing, and perhaps the tangents aren’t polite and defined. I am saying I don’t understand the process of dna, breakpoints, fill in points, broken strands, missing segments, and while I would LOVE to have this all explained away for me, I know it isn’t evolved enough of a science to provide the answers, and I won’t accept guesses from those such as “offit”, because on my ladder of respect, I would ( only after being acused of sci fi speak by someone) admittedly put an imaginative screen writer on a rung above him.
and…I don’t take this , any of this personally!..I do soulfully believe this issue is much more important than it’s response. Yes, I put it at a level again above the possible demise of the bald eagle, we are discussing the human body, not just brain, which should frighten us enough, and the future of the human species. This is not crazed pointing fingers at imaginary conspiracies, this is based on what is real. I don’t quite get the politeness, and I don’t quite understand why we should play nice, and if that’s where we are, then I suggest we turn it over to a more effective crowd. This isn’t an afternoon tea where we don’t want mud on us, sling it if that’s what it takes. I hate to say this, I really do, however, maybe it’s because this issue is so much of a “mom issue”, no one else has taken over the responsibility in numbers as much as the “moms”. .. we usually play fair..and we usually are slow in getting to the “winners” circle. Aren’t we the same refrigerator mom’s of forty years ago..didn’t we come into this with a handicap..or do we believe science “evolved” and brushed that label cleanly off? There is far too much trust..and I’m sorry if I seem nutty…but that’s kinda’ my point.. speak up..fight because you must..this increase is REAL.
Barbara, I’m simply not understanding what you’re saying.
You say “I do soulfully believe this issue is much more important than it’s response. Yes, I put it at a level again above the possible demise of the bald eagle, we are discussing the human body, not just brain, which should frighten us enough, and the future of the human species. This is not crazed pointing fingers at imaginary conspiracies, this is based on what is real. ”
WHAT are you referring to when you speak of “this issue?”
So far, I’ve understood you to be referring to a whole slew of issues, ranging from the number of children with autism to ingredients in vaccines to the possible demise of the human race! You’ve suggested that someone (Dr Offit??) is doing us in as a species using unintelligible scientific methods …
You also seem to be saying that the sheer complexity of genetics makes it impossible for ANYONE to understand – and that a sci fi writer is as legit a source on genetics and biology as a Ph.D. researcher.
You don’t have to be polite if you’re fighting against a force of evil intent on destroying the human race. If that’s your fear, you certainly have reason to worry – and to set up your army of moms against evil scientists.
But is that really your fear? That, in essence, Michael Crichton was right, and the Andromeda Strain and Jurassic Park are real? That our children are being turned into mutant monsters?
I am concerned that you’re taking a collection of media bits, bits of information, opinions, and popular fiction and mixing them up into a very scary, overwhelming – but formless – fear. And I’m concerned that you’re not alone in this process.
Lisa
Of course having Rubella isn’t the problem, it was exposure to pregnant women that was. I’m sure in the 1964 and 1965 most everyone had running water and toilets and I’m sure medical care today would make no difference. The problem was exposure to others prior to knowing you had it yourself.
here’s a piece on “Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes–A review.” The author is Helen Ratajczak
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/the_resident_anti-vaccine_reporter_at_cb.php
Hi Lisa,
I found it interesting/surprising too. i have not yet read the original article but will be interested to do so.i plan to read the primary source myself,and also would be interested in your take on it. Perhaps it would be worth an article, with some opinions from various scientists?
I admit to having wondered in the past if viruses in the dna used could cause problems in those who are injected with the virus as part of a vaccine (and we know that parts of viruses have indeed been discovered in some vaccines).
A virus causing a long term inflammatory response resulting in autism does not seem that far fetched, particularly since we already know one virus (congenital rubella) does exactly that..
Recombinant Dna ? will have to study that..again, would be interested in yours and other thoughts on it.
Hera – there are several discrete topics under consideration here; your idea of articles with opinions from scientists is a good one! Here are the topics I’m seeing from you and others:
Is there human DNA in vaccines?
Is there non-human DNA in vaccines?
Can DNA of any sort spontaneously recombine with our own DNA to cause issues such as autism?
Can dead viruses from injected vaccines cause inflammation in the gut or elsewhere?
If I understand you correctly, you’re also asking whether the DNA in which viruses are cultured could contain some OTHER virus which would then cause damage to the vaccinated individual?? You’re saying that bits of non-measles viruses have been found in measles vaccine, for example??
Lisa
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html
Thank you Hera, yes ! It’s her information and it fills in a lot of the blanks..amazing information, imo..read this link dated 3/31..and remember thinking this woman needs to be promoted on a bigger scale. Why should her information weigh less than Offit’s, but even I was guilty of giving her consideration but not the credit she deserves.
Thanks Lisa, yet, one in 38 children represents a bit more to me than a “formless fear”.
I do not mind being considered nutty, heck I have been on to the mmr fears before autism, remember I have a son with crohn’s, a daughter with KD, and a nephew with autism long before being aware of this “epidemic” I have signed up for religious waivers, and really have been disappointed in the weak stand of the vatican. An issue for another day. I would say they are only human, but somehow I never wanted to believe this..:) Hey did we know in 2005 that polio, hepA varicella and others contained this tissue? Now this educated woman, Dr.Ratajczek claims it’s in 23 vaccines? I guess we didn’t need to know that?
http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm
Barbara, what exactly is your fear relative to “one in 38 children?”
That they have all developed autism because of the MMR?
That we’re not listening closely enough to particular scientists?
That autistic children’s DNA has recombined with that of another person, or perhaps with that of a virus?
That a variety of disorders are caused by vaccines overall?
That scientists are attempting to destroy the human race?
What is the issue you’re addressing?
The reason folks may not take you seriously is that you are conflating a whole raft of issues as if they were all somehow the same issue… “autism is a raging epidemic… we don’t really understand genetic engineering and we can’t trust those who claim they do… Paul Offit and his cronies want to poison our children in order to make more money… the government is hiding information… mothers are being ignored when they are the ones who understand what’s really going on…”
Sure, it’s conceivable that all your fears are well grounded – but I tend to doubt it very much.
Lisa
A little of this and a little of “that”, the real and pressing issue is “autism is an epidemic”, why is it being ignored as such. Worse, why is it being denied! Could we start with exposing the truths, what’s in it for us to believe anyone who claims it’s always been with us?
Just what’s in it for any one claiming autism hasn’t always been with us? That’s not really even an issue since we know autism pre-dated vaccines, thimerosal and the MMR.
Lisa; the idea of scientist giving views would be great!maybe even the doctor woho wrote the arrticle cold be include don the lsit? I’d love to see some knowledgable debate on the issue!
Actually though, not all viruses in vaccines are dead; MMR for example contains live weakened virus; it is why it is not supposed to be given to those with weakened immune systems.
Yes, bits of other viruses have been found in vaccines. Will try and track down the info, but as I remember it, it made the news sometime in the last year or so; they found bits of a virus that causes chronic fatigue and major health problems in pigs, in one vaccine.
Initially they started to suggest a preference for a diffferent vaccine, and then discovered parts of a different virus in the other vaccine too.Oops.
Then the story faded away. Unavoidably unsafe, I guess??
Actually Sandy re the timing of “autism” as a diagnosis; “autism” , I think actually first came into being as a diagnostic set of symtoms with Kanner in the 60’s around the same time as vaccines started being used more widely?
By the way, sorry about all the bad spelling; distracted while typing.That second sentence should read
‘Maybe even the doctor who wrote the article could be included on the list? “
I’ll look into it.
You’re correct about the live viruses; I mis-wrote.
Re the bits of DNA in vaccines, I did a quick google search but didn’t immediately find anything reliable on the topic.. Found a Scientific American article on a retrovirus that could be responsible for Chronic Fatigue (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=chronic-fatigue-syndrome-retrovirus), but that’s a whole different topic.
Lisa
PCV-1 is what was found in the rotavirus vaccine however it’s not harmful to humans and is found in the pork people eat.
The earliest well-documented case of autism is that of Hugh Blair of Borgue, as detailed in a 1747. Eugen Bleuler in 1910 used the term, autism first took its modern sense in 1938 by Hans Asperger, and Kanner intro’d the ‘label’ in 1943. ADHD was in medical history for a long time before it actually started becoming a diagnosis (Label) and then you have China, who never added autism until 40 years later than other countries. Does that mean it more relates to vaccines in China? No. Does that mean China didn’t have anyone with autism prior? No.
It was the H1N1 that was said to cause narcolepsy and the cases appear to have occurred among those carrying a gene that increases the risk for the rare disorder.
Hi Lisa,
Yes, it is an interesting topic.
Thanks for the viral information Sandy.I did some quick research and can add a bit more.
Apparently both PCV1 and PCV2 fragments were found in Rotavirus/Rotatex vaccines,( Have got to check if both were found in each, or if they each only contained one). This was discovered because of new technology recently developed that now allows us to track viral fragments better.
PCV1 is I believe not supposed to cause side effects (in pigs)what it does in humans when injected is of course, anyones’ guess.
However PCV2, again in pigs, causes major problems, mortality, weight gain problems, long term symptoms, skin lesions etc.
SV40, a monkey virus, is another viral contaminant that was found in one of the polio vaccines,(given I think to people in the 60’s), and apparently is also found in human cancer tumours.Id be interested to read more about that too.
Do you have available how many had that vaccine and then how many became sick?
Hi Sandy, yes that would have been interesting information, wouldn’t it?
I did read what I found to be a darkly amusing comment on Web MD; (paraphrasing here) over a million doses had been given and none of the children had any health problems.
The darkly amusing part; either that million children are the healthiest ever on record, or things like autism at a fairly conservative population rate of 1 in 100, cancer , diabetes and asthma did not even rate a mention as a”health problem” for any of them.
I wonder what a health problem is??
What a subset of incredibly healthy, or probably more accurately, completely unresearched children….
What does narcolepsy, PVC 1 or 2 and SV40 have to do with autism? For any of it, it has yet to either be the sole cause for it’s individual ailment or it hasn’t been proven to cause any harm at all. Even with SV40, it’s a hypothesis that it might cause cancer.
Just goes to show that if one looks for autistic traits, they’ll probably find them in almost everyone. All it’s really doing is taking any useful meaning out of the definition… so, someday they’ll have to come up with a new word to define the people who need help to function so they can access the help they need… and this argumentative process will start all over again.
The study suggests the count is higher, the epidemic is broader , further reaching, and that we are in trouble. It does not suggest we are expanding the criteria, the screening hasn’t changed, the inclusion of more population is the difference. Where we only count the already counted, those with services and diagnosis in place, in the USA, this gives us a broader population and a likely more accurate picture of a similarly heavily vaccinated group. Ask any teacher, they noticed, when those 1990’s kids started school many had to be referred out, and this was new and alarming to kindergarten teachers. ….so what’s the number now…for boys? I can’t seem to think it through today..however the UK has put the boys numbers very close to what is being uncovered for both sexes combined in Korea…”count’em again cdc….and this time factor in the unvaccinated” don’t study..just count…
I see two threads that I have missed, two threads that ended suggesting the topic had been discussed thoroughly?..It does seem this topic gets shut down, before it gets discussed “too” thoroughly. I was watching the “fox” news spot on the discussion of vaccines causally related to autism ..and the wording and the deceit likely involved in the vaccine court process. In the program the cdc offered a statement..”mmr does not cause autism”.. and again, WHY didn’t they say, vaccines don’t cause autism..no one was questioning one vaccine against another..or perhaps they were..is this the twist..I personally don’t believe alone that the mmr causes autism..and without the synergy in place it likely doesn’t, is this little twist on words giving them an offering of truth yet dishonest by not disclosing known information. Like saying aspirin does not cause reyes..well no it doesn’t, yet aspirin in conjunction with influenza or varicella does!..Is this how they can continue to lie to the world!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4687300/law-school-links-autism-vaccines-in-report
Barbara there is a simple reason why I shut down those and other threads over time. I have only so many hours in the day to respond to personal assaults, and review the angry back and forth comments that are ALWAYS a part of any post with the word vaccine connected to it (and many withOUT the word connected).
Once I’ve spent too many hours, and realize that my work, kids and husband are suffering the consequences, I shut down the thread figuring everyone has had their say at least once.
I also know that there are plenty of blogs where this topic is top of the fold 99% of the time – so I don’t feel that there’s a strong need for me to keep the “vaccine lines” open 24/7.
Lisa
Alrighty then…I understand …I wouldn’t want to have to put out fires all day myself in “virtual” world..hard enough in the real . No doubt the battle of vaccine induced autism will continue ,while additions of health issues that accompany it will be brought to light. I wish I could sit back and join the side backing the “vaccines”..selfishly a part of me doesn’t want to give up that herd…even though I don’t want my kids to take part, I want them to benefit. I probably will lose rapture on that one..:)
Thanks, Barbara! Being a mom is bloody complicated, no matter what the circumstances… wish there were a seal of approval on the “right” choices.
Lisa