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Jenny McCarthy, Andrew Wakefield and Generation Rescue Continue the MMR/Autism Debate

From Lisa Jo Rudy, About.com GuideFebruary 13, 2008

A recent study from the UK had the media announcing that the link between autism and the MMR vaccine had been debunked for good. But Jenny McCarthy, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and Generation Rescue disagree.

Yesterday, with the support of McCarthy and Carrey, Generation Rescue placed a full page ad in USA Today. In part, the ad states:

The statistics speak for themselves. Since 1983, the number of vaccines the CDC recommends we give to our kids has gone from 10 to 36, a whopping increase of 260%. And, with it, the prevalence of neurological disorders like autism and ADHD has grown exponentially as well.

Just a coincidence? We don’t think so. Thousands of parents believe their child’s regression into autism was triggered, if not caused, by over-immunization with toxic ingredients and live viruses found in vaccines. The Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics dispute this but independent research and the first-hand accounts of parents tell a different story."

Meanwhile, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the originator of the MMR/autism theory, wrote an open letter which is making its way around the blogosphere. In it, he claims to debunk the debunkers (G. Baird et al). Wakefield's claim is that the study was "severely limited" by the factors used to select participants and by researchers' misunderstanding of how pain is communicated by children with autism:
There is no evidence in the Baird et al. paper that these crucial factors were taken into account. This study's inappropriate symptom criteria would explain the discordance with other reports that have revealed a high prevalence of significant gastrointestinal symptoms in general autism populations.
How do you respond to the Generation Rescue ad, to Wakefield, or to those who dispute their point of view? Do you go with the majority view that there is no evidence of a link between MMR and autism? Are you (like me) waiting to see a study that really investigates parents' anecdotal claims? Or do you have no doubt that the MMR is a direct cause of autism?
Comments
February 13, 2008 at 5:37 pm
(1) Sandy says:

I seen generation Rescue’s large ad, and it’s about the same ad they keep using. I counted 37 vaccines (their ad in Spet. 2007’s ad it was 36) which is quite misleading. There are not 37 mandatory vaccines. The CDC recommendations do not tell us of how many had 37 vaccines, and autism. It’s just another shock ad, created for shock value.

I don’t so much disagree with the point of view of the MMR relation however I do disagree with misleading ads. Most kids who had the MMR and then regressed, did not have 34 vaccines prior to that triple jab, nor is it common that a child regresses after all those 37 vaccines Generation Rescue points to.

February 13, 2008 at 10:38 pm
(2) Autism News Beat says:

Wakefield’s 1998 study claims to have found measles in the gut of children with autism. The study has never been replicated, and subsequent research suggest Wakefield’s lab work was sloppy. Besides, if those kids had measles in the gut, why didn’t they present with measles?

GR’s ad is absurd. Among bona fide researchers, there is no controversy. The vaccine-autism connection is dead, dead, dead. It doesn’t matter how many parents believe something is true, or how noisily that protest. Science is science.

February 14, 2008 at 12:58 am
(3) Diane says:

Autistic symptoms can be explained in great part by the demyelination or hypo-myelination of “connector” brain cells (the white matter). Almost every strange symptom that a person with autism has could be attributable to one part of the brain not communicating with the other. The child sees the cookie but there is no good connector to the part of the brain that says “ask for the cookie”. A child sees another child, but there is no connection to the “that child may be fun”. A child knows a word and wants to say it, but that message is not trasnmitted properly to the oral/motor neural passageways.

The degree and physical areas of demylenation account for the vast “spectrum” of the vast and varied autistic symptoms, and there are MANY.

Oh, and one of the reasons for demylenation? Vaccines. Don’t believe me? Go to merck.com and do the research yourself. That’s right. Merck. They manufacture vaccines and they’re admitting it! Seems like all the headlines are debunking the “mercury” in vaccines and ignoring all the other poisons that YES do cause autism.

Hmmmmmmm……..

February 14, 2008 at 6:41 am
(4) Raymond Gallup says:

Through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) I received the 2002 to 2006 figures from Social Security on child and adults with autism and ASD collecting SSI. The figures went from 45,684 to 84,240 during that time period. The authorities may want to deny a vaccine link to autism but that won’t prevent the Autism Apocalypse awaiting our nation in the next decade or two as children with autism and ASD reach adulthood and need to be taken care of as parents get older and children get older.

February 14, 2008 at 6:51 am
(5) Theresa Cedillo says:

I don’t see how a link can be denied when there has never been a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study done. Baird’s study criteria was different than Wakefield’s, yet this study is being used to say the MMR has no link to autism. Generation Rescue’s ad brings up another good point and that is that to date there have been no studies looking at the cumulative effect of various vaccines and live attenuated viruses.

I think in a specific subset of children the MMR and thimerosal are directly linked to the development of autism and GI disease.

February 14, 2008 at 8:10 am
(6) Lynne Sanchez says:

I am one of the parents who believes that my son’s autism was caused by vaccines. I encourage all of you to do your own research, and talk to parents of children with autism. When we as parents say that our child was injuried with the vaccines and we want them to research, we only want safer vaccinations. We want all the toxins removed from them and a safer schedule for all children.

February 14, 2008 at 8:24 am
(7) Bob Moffitt says:

Unfortunately, autism is not the only inexplicable autoimmune disorder that our children suffer today. The CDC reports 1 in every 6 American children suffers some type of early childhood development disorder, such as, allergies, asthma, autism, juvenile type 1 diabetes, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, ADD, ADHD, etc. In additon, the US is number 41 on the world’s infant mortality list.

So, the obvious question arises: Why is the most heavily vaccinated generation in our nation’s history…so sick?

February 14, 2008 at 8:31 am
(8) Michael says:

Generation rescue’s sole reason for existence is to blame autism on vaccines. They have no choice but to deny any science they come upon. Otherwise, they will have to cease to exist. Can’t imagine anybody on their paid staff would be interested in doing that.

February 14, 2008 at 9:09 am
(9) Cindy says:

Thousands and thousands of parents are the originators of the vaccine/autism theory. Their children are their evidence.
My children were given jabs and little by little they regressed. By age three and 37 immunizations later, they regressed into severe autism.
Eventually most people will know someone close to them with autism. And most will witness first hand the regression.
Autism and other major childhood diseases are on the rise. So what is making our little ones so ill? Look at the Amish community? Do they have autism and all these diseases? They don’t vaccinate. Other communities don’t vaccinate either and they do not have autism or the rates of other diseases that our vaccinated children do.

February 14, 2008 at 9:18 am
(10) Barbara says:

Generation Rescue does not HAVE paid staff, it is a volunteer organization of parents helping parents, period. Our children are recovering from autism using biomedical treatments that other organizations like Autism Speaks so far have refused to acknowledge and/or research (they would rather throw research money away studying fruit flies, or line their advisory board’s pockets). We have successfully used the chelation process to remove heavy metals (lead, mercury) from my son’s system — he rec’d these metals via vaccines and other environmental exposures (dental amalgam, etc.). Why the media continues to accept the CDC’s biased studies (fraught with conflicts of interest) blindly is beyond me. Oh, and btw, the Wakefield study results HAVE been replicated here in the U.S by a major university. Perhaps someone else can pitch in with specifics.

February 14, 2008 at 9:26 am
(11) autism says:

Cindy, you said “My children were given jabs and little by little they regressed. By age three and 37 immunizations later, they regressed into severe autism.”

I’ve heard many parents say that, quite literally, their child was ok on Monday, had jabs on Tuesday, and was autistic by Friday. But I have to ask — what makes you so certain that the vaccines caused such a slow process of regression? Was there some event that led you to that conclusion?

I ask in part because it seems to me that so many things happen in the course of years – exposure to environmental toxins, food allergies, etc. – that it would be impossible to know, through observation alone, just what made the difference.

Best,

Lisa

February 14, 2008 at 10:34 am
(12) Sandy says:

I’d be interested to know each vaccine and age the child was to have had 37 vaccines by age 3. Generation Rescue’s list of 36 does not reflect the vaccine schedule up to age 3, it’s THE vaccine schedule that goes to age 4-6, (according to GR anyway) which their ad reflects this. Even if a child got all the voluntary vaccines it would still be difficult to ever get 37 by age 3. Any one can compare the actual mandatory vaccine schedule to Generation Rescue and see for your self the shock value. They also reflect the years above their needles to make the comparison easier.

People wont believe the shock value and their ad includes non mandatory vaccines to increase it to an astronomical figure for the public. That’s what people have a problem with, inflated truth without even knowing of those autism rates or even ADHD, just how many kids even had any voluntary vaccines and how many didn’t.

February 14, 2008 at 10:43 am
(13) Jessica says:

Children are getting sicker and sicker and unless people are directly affected by it, they don’t seem to care or notice. They toss it aside as “junk science” and parents wanting free special education. (Don’t even get me started on “wanting” special ed for my three year old…) Read the facts. Anyone can see the ingredient list of poisons put into the bodies of small babies and children. Though each vaccine is tested, it is done so individually, and never proven safe to be combined with others as the CDC recommends or given to newborns, premies, other young children, and even pregnant women. The evidence of some kind of epidemic affecting the young is undeniable whether it be autism, asthma, food allergies, etc. We have to start looking at the big picture and say NO MORE!! All Generation Rescue is saying is make vaccines safe.

Most children are vaccinated from the day they are born (with often parents not even realizing it). How can anyone say their child was born normal or not? I can say my son got a little worse and worse and was diagnosed with autism and severe language delays at two and a half. He never missed a shot and received flu vaccines for two years plus in utero. He was breastfed for more than a year. We did everything “right.” I trusted 100% everything the AAP told me and never thought to look beyond it. I’ve stopped all vaccinations in my family until the FDA and CDC decide to “Green our Vaccines” as parents are begging them to do. Our children deserve no less.

February 14, 2008 at 11:35 am
(14) Sandy says:

Well, I can say my child wasn’t born typical and he didn’t get the Heb B at birth. I also never got a flu vac while pregnant nor made that choice for him after he was born. I also did everything right.

However it’s hard to lump the whole vaccine theory onto the MMR theory, they may be connected but may be they’re not. Hard to say. According to Generation Rescue, the MMR has been around since 1983. Interestingly, vaccines for smallpox was created in the 1800’s and I believe they stopped that vaccination by the 1970’s for the public. I believe I read some where that the later 1940’s was the last cases of smallpox in the USA. What’s interesting to me is the length of time it took not to see smallpox out beaks. It’s also interesting back then how they thought they could build immunity by exposure to a person with it. That didn’t go over too well.

I remember Dr. Wakefield stating the MMR would be safer in separate jabs than a 3 in 1.

Still, I myself am going for the environmental polycarbonate used in baby bottles and zippy cups. I’ve been suggesting plastics for a few years now. When heated, even room temperature or scratched, it excretes a compound that mimics the hormone estrogen and studies show genetic damage.

Maybe the vaccines were a trigger to the hormone estrogen in baby bottles.

February 14, 2008 at 11:57 am
(15) autism says:

Jessica — I’m still not sure I fully understand where you’re coming from. Sounds like you’re saying:

My kids had all their vaccines
Vaccines are loaded with toxins
My kids have autism
So the vaccines caused the autism

But I’m not sure that logic holds water.

Of course, it is CERTAINLY a good idea to look more deeply at the impact of multiple vaccines on kids.

But unless you saw an immediate change after your kids had specific vaccines, I don’t see how you know the vaccines are to blame for their autism. Why couldn’t the culprit equally well be ultrasounds, or WiFi, or pitocin, or toxins in plastics, or pesiticides — all of which also have been shown to be dangerous to some people?

Lisa (Autism Guide)

February 14, 2008 at 1:16 pm
(16) Cindy says:

Much like the cancer and smoking connection. Is it the only thing that causes cancer? No. But one thing we know that smoking does cause cancer. NO question about that. However for years tobacco companies fought that conclusion. Will everyone that smokes get lung cancer?…NO…Will everyone that doesn’t smoke be safe from ever getting lung cancer?..NO. But it doesn’t dispute the fact that for some, smoking will cause lung cancer. As for vaccines, not everyone will react, but there is NO question in my mind that there are and there will be many that do. I truly believe that there are other contributing factors (other evironmental toxins) but we eat only organic, use ONLY glass and stainless steel for food prep, storage etc, all baby bottles were glass, eat only whole foods, no processed foods, drink reverse osmosis water, sleep on organic matresses….etc. We delayed the second MMR after the high pitched screaming and massive diarrhea that resulted the same day as the first MMR. My friends little boy had a seizure right in the doctors office after his second MMR.
I have video of days before the second MMR and a few days after. The boys had a birthday and were so happy and engaging. It was loud and they were singing and talking. The difference in my boys is unbelievable when you see a video of them a few days later (they had their second MMR a day after their birthday). They wouldn’t look at anyone, covered their ears because everything was loud, etc. I think it caused an inflamation in their brains. Within a week they lost all ablility to communicate through language. My first son reacted to his first vaccine at age 9 months. He lost eye contact, couldn’t crawl, had massive diarhea and the doctor said it was a reaction to the vaccine and not to give him another for a few years.(fortunately he did recover a few weeks later) This was a doctor in Japan and he would not vaccinate my second son because of the first one’s reaction. However, because my twins had a different father, and it was 8 years later, I didn’t suspect something would happen to them. And when things did happen, the pediatrician said, its ok, they will get better. Keep vaccinating, because it is better than dying from the disease.
As a mother you know. There is no denying this.
I can understand peoples fear of what will happen if we all stop vaccinating. All I am advocating for people to educate yourselves on all aspects of this debate. Talk to your friends, talk to parents of kids with autism, research vaccines and their history and their ingredients. Research the history of diseases. Do this on your own and then decide for yourself either way. Educate before you vaccinate.

February 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm
(17) Francisco says:

To those who insist that vaccines have not, are not and will no be linked in any way to ASD. That hundreds upon hundreds of stories about children regressing into autism, or developing other autoinmune disorders shortly after a round of vaccination are just the product of fertile imaginations. That thimerosal was taken out of the vaccines in 2001. That the CDC, AAP and FDA have no other interest than the health of our kids. That they are and always will be transparent. That they are not financially supported by vaccine makers. That they have no ties whatsoever with the pharmaceutical industry. That every study ever published discrediting the link between thimerosal or the MMR jab with autism has been unbiased, not manipulated, flawless, definitive, and that the researchers and authors of these studies never had or have any special interests, never received any funding or had any link with the CDC or pharmaceutical companies, and that they were never related in any way shape or form with the pharmaceutical industry. That the media is fair and balanced in reporting both sides of the story; that they do their homework before they report anything, and that they do not respond to any special interests. That every parent who tries to do “unproven” alternative therapies is an irresponsible whacko even if the kids get better. If the kids get better this way is probably just the natural progression of their autism, or they were never in the spectrum in the first place. That every parent should only try ST, OT or ABA with their kids as if these therapies were free, affordable, or even accesible to everyone.
I cannot force everyone to be objective and really do their homework, as I’m sure I don’t have the time to do it for them.
As Kim Staglano puts it “you cannot expect 100% of the vaccines to be 100% safe, 100% of the time to 100% of the children” Yet the CDC thinks so.
My son was diagnosed with PDD-NOS last a year ago, and he is the only peer reviewed double blind placebo controlled study that I need.
No developmental pediatrician, neurologist, psychologist or therapists have been able to explain to me why his metabolism is so messed up, or why he suffers frequent episodes of unexplained diarrhea, or why he has yeast and atypical bacteria overgrowth in his GI tract, or why he suffers from colitis, or why he is proven mercury and lead toxic. Furthermore, they have not been able to explain why so many kids in the spectrum have similar clinical problems as my son does, or why my son’s behaviors and symptoms have markedly improved with “voodoo” therapies, and treating his clinical issues.
If thimerosal was removed in 2001 one , then why in feb. 2007 we found thimerosal in 3 out of 4 vaccines that my then 4 months old daughter was going to receive just to have her ears pierced (I still have the vaccine inserts, and by the way this happened in Houston, TX and not in Uganda or wherever).
I read somewhere that you “don’t need a study to know that sh.. stinks”, I guess if enough people can agre on that, then thousands of anecdotal stories cannot or should not be ignored and considered worthless.
Also, I don’t want to say that the CDC or the AAP are corrupted and are profoundly interested in protecting their contributors and sources of funding (If I’m just making this up, just go their web pages and find out for yourselves), yet no one who has in all honestly reviewed the famous Denmark studies (form the statistical flaws to the researchers involved, as well as to the funding sources and vested interests), or the manipulation given to the original Verstraten data presented at Simpsonwood could in their right mind say that institutions like the above mentioned are transparent, and that they only have our children best interests in mind. The IOM, and the FDA are also just eating from the same plate.
The ignorance, or better said, lack of information that the mainstream medical community has is due in large part to their trust of the official federal institutions that I refered to. Your son/daughter pediatrician cannot be directly blamed for not knowing, but for not researching.
A study is published today (reputable or not)that allegedly destroys the thimerosal or MMR theories as causes of autism, and for the next three weeks you will find it on the web, in newspapers, television news, radio, magazines, and every form of media ever created. If such study (reputable or not) supported the idea that thimerosal or the MMR is related to autism causation you will be lucky if you get to read about it in the classifieds section of a God forsaken newspaper. And the scientific evidence that supports a connection is vast. For starters it is universally known that if I was mass murderer I would inject my victims with mercury. It wouldn’t take much to kill them, and only very minimal dosis would cause serious neurological damage. It is toxic and that is a fact
Apparently everybody has an agenda, and the parents are left to find answers on their own.
Unfortunatelly the answers that thousands of parents have found on their own are against everything that is oficially being fed to the masses. Therefore, we can only swim against the current, and work relentlessly with our kids and to see them improve day in and day out with forbidden therapies and traditional therapies as well, and in some cases even recover. All on our own.

February 14, 2008 at 4:54 pm
(18) Mom-of-autistic-girl says:

To Autism News Beat

Obviously, you do not have an autistic child. Maybe you should have one before talking. For us, parents of autistic children, this is not a controversy of scientists… It is the pain of seeing our children live in pain and suffering. I don’t care what any scientist theorizes. I want a scientist that really cares about our children to set up the right test to determine what caused their illness. And sadly enough, the few scientists that do care are called bad names by all the “other scientists”

February 15, 2008 at 4:11 pm
(19) Jackie Fletcher says:

As parents have researched the subject of childhood vaccination in the United Kingdom it has become clear that many families have and continue to suffer the consequences of vaccine reactions in their children, not only in the UK but in many other countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Spain. This has been a hard lesson in the value of their children’s health and wellbeing when set against the total commitment to promoting vaccination by international governments and organisations working hand in hand with pharmaceutical organisations.

Parents take their children for vaccinations because they are told by medical authorities that the diseases, for which vaccines are now available, could have serious consequences or even cause the death of their child. In some countries childhood vaccines are mandatory and must be given before the child enters the education system. In the UK the Government’s childhood vaccination programme is based on a voluntary scheme and parents are actively encouraged to follow the ever increasing schedule of baby vaccines.

Because the UK childhood vaccination programme is not compulsory the Department of Health (DoH) emphasises the seriousness of the diseases and promotes the benefits of vaccination for the child and to the wider community through herd immunity. The potential for serious side effects are played down and parents’ concerns and accounts of vaccine damage are often dismissed as myths or anecdotes. The DoH applies direct and indirect pressure on parents using arguments which are both frightening and damning. The government ensures doctors fall into line by financially penalising GP practices who do not attain a high percentage of vaccinations in their community. The experience of many parents is that if they are undecided or choose not to vaccinate they are made to feel guilty and uncaring and will be held responsible for causing future epidemics.

A recent UK survey from the Nuffield Council on Bioethics referred to such families as “free-riders who take more than their fair share of the benefits”. To use such a damning statement against parents who may have made an informed decision in the best interests of their child is a form of emotional manipulation to promote compliance, playing on the sentiment of the parent who usually wants to do what is right for the community but not at any cost to their own child. It is particularly objectionable when children damaged by vaccines are publicly denied by the very same critics who are in the business of promoting vaccines. Every parent who has a vaccine damaged child will be aware that no one in any government department or medical agency is accountable or takes responsibility for the harm caused.

When a child suffers a severe reaction the parent is thrown into a nightmare world. There is the initial trauma of knowing your child has changed and the slow, dreadful realisation that this change could be permanent. Parents work with medical professionals to try to establish the cause and the best course of action regarding treatment. There is the inevitable culture shock and slow realisation for the parents who find themselves in this situation that they are captured by a medical system geared to denying any health changes in their child which might be related to vaccines. The system acts as an emotional sponge, soaking up and dismissing all association with vaccines without proffering any other explanation. There seems to be a standard approach that the cause does not matter – lets just treat the symptoms.

For the parents of a vaccine damaged child the cause does matter as this may well affect the treatment and may well determine if further vaccines are suitable. There could be implications for siblings and future babies which may have a major impact on the benefit/risk on all or some of the standard childhood vaccines being offered.

Determining that the child has been damaged by a vaccine is not an easy option because with it comes guilt. Parents will often look for answers outside the immediate medical system; vaccine damage support groups, alternative therapies, legal, medical and political support, some or all will be approached for help with their children’s situation. They have already learned to expect little help or support from the medical profession as the denial mantra is repeated time and again at each consultation. “It’s a coincidence.”, “I don’t know what caused the condition but it wasn’t the vaccine.”, “The vaccine triggered/revealed the condition but didn’t cause it.” are phrases often used.

The irony is that most of the serious reactions that parents report are usually the same as those noted and accepted by the vaccine manufacturer. However, it is down to the parent to ‘prove’ on the balance of probabilities that the vaccine actually caused the child’s problems. To obtain ‘proof’ a parent needs the support of a doctor. The doctor says the problem is not known or is unlikely to be linked because serious side effects from the vaccine are rarely reported. However, doctors are well aware that the passive surveillance system (”yellow card”) only picks up about 10 to 20 per cent of adverse events. As the doctor hasn’t found it already linked he doesn’t report the new incident. And so the cycle goes on.

If an infant dies from a vaccine reaction in the UK the parent cannot pursue a legal case to hold either the Government or vaccine manufacturer to account because legal aid is awarded to the child and if the infant has died then the cost/benefit clause applies; the child doesn’t have any dependents and does not need a long-term care package so legal aid will not be granted. Likewise, the parent cannot apply to the UK Vaccine Damage Payment Unit for investigation and compensation as there is a clause stating that an award can only be applied for following the infant’s second birthday.

The UK Government has worked tirelessly to promote and persuade parents to inject their children with more and more vaccines and have trumpeted the message that these vaccines have been used in millions of doses in the US and throughout the rest of the world without any problems. However, these same promotion exercises have never mentioned Government backed Vaccine Damage Payment Schemes and the rising number of support groups for vaccine damaged children in the very same countries.

We want to show how Governments around the world accept that vaccine damage happens (payments are made to vaccine damaged children) but publicly deny these children when promoting and enforcing vaccination campaigns. They continue to mandate ever increasing numbers of vaccines without proper pre-licence trials, rely on wholly inadequate surveillance systems and sidestep their responsibility and accountability when children are damaged by jabs that are supposed to protect.

February 18, 2008 at 8:05 am
(20) John says:

Stuff and nonsense. it is well documented that those in power are actually alien reptiles. They are the ones causing autism. See http://www.whale.to for the evidence.
When will somebody listen to me?

February 19, 2008 at 11:16 am
(21) Bonnie Thorson of Michigan says:

I am a mother of four children:Ashley(girl)age:17,Daniel(boy)age:15,Patric(boy)age:12,and Elizabeth(girl)age:9.My sons Daniel has ADHD and my son Patric has AUTISM and I strongly believe that vaccines are NOT the cause of autism.I do however strongly believe that autism is genetic.Also in recent scientific studies show that the chormosone 11 is linked to autism.Also in 2001 mercury was taken out of vaccines however the rate of autism is on the rise.In the 80’s and 90’s many children were being diagnosed mentally retarded because autism was not well known at the time.In todays time many know about autism.So there for there’s a correct diagnosis.Also people should look at the history of autism and vaccines-in the 1940’s autism first came into light and in the 1960’s is when vaccines came into light I have done much research into this and this is what I found out.I strongly feel not all but most people want to point the finger and say you gave my child autism and that’s way many point fingers to the goverment and vaccines because no one does not know what causes autism until now-which only at this time is a link to autism and that’s the chormosone 11.So my advice to anyone who has children special needs or not always give 100% to your child/children because when you are playing blame game you are not giving 100% to your child/children and it only hurts them when you do this! You can learn alot from any child special needs or not,however the ones with special needs are gifted in their own ways and parents and caregivers should look at their child/children with a special need and remember that!I love all my children just the way they are.
-Bonnie Thorson of Michigan

February 19, 2008 at 2:40 pm
(22) LisaA says:

Wow Francisco! Well said! Do you have a fanclub? ;-) Same to you Jackie Fletcher. That is the most detail behind what happens in the UK that I have read so far…..

To Bonnie Thorson…..I respect your opinion. I have 2 children with ASD. (girl 10yrs & boy 8 yrs) We ALL love our children just the way they are. Just because we want “the powers that be” to admit they screwed up(at the very least) doesn’t mean we’re not paying our children enough attention.
Keep doing your research(it doesn’t sound like it’s complete) and keep your mind as open as your heart.
Researchers on both sides of the issue have a lot to say about what the other side is doing wrong. It is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a clear-cut, black and white issue. However, from what I’ve read about how each side “debunks” the other side’s research, I have to believe more of what Generation Rescue/SafeMinds/Lyn Redwood/David Kirby etc. are saying. And I beleive them because of what I’ve experienced with my children.

February 19, 2008 at 3:44 pm
(23) Val says:

I once lived in Amish country Amish have higher rates of severe forms Autism though they vaccinate a little less. Amish are just more private. When I lived there it was just called mental retardation.
Then the general population they do vaccinate. Because Autism among the Amish has been found to be strictly genetic.
Regression happens around immunization. I have a cognitive disorder and actually remember physically regressing around age 4. I could tie my shoes then suddenly couldn’t. I know shots did not do this to me and it wasn’t anyone’s fault.
Why are we looking at immunization and not genetics and smog? The highest rates of Autism happen in the smoggiest places.

March 1, 2008 at 10:44 pm
(24) Judy Converse MPH RD LDq says:

Those who believe the notion that the autism-vaccine link is “dead, dead, dead” need to read the US Federal Court ruling that just decreed vaccines caused autism in a child. There are some 5,000 more children’s claims waiting to be heard – a substantial number for something that is “dead”. Behind each claim is a growing line of medical experts who can regard the facts about this with dispassionate sense, not zeal for a sacred cow of a practice that has clearly run amok in medicine today. As a health professional who has served affected children since 1999 and parent of a vaccine injured child, I have no doubt that we over-vaccinate children in the US and it has cost us a generation.

March 10, 2008 at 12:11 am
(25) Elizabeth S says:

My first child regressed after his 18 month shots. He stopped talking and didn’t talk much again until he was 3 years old. I always knew it was the vaccines. I didn’t even have internet then and never heard of vaccines causing autism like characteristics.

Some of you are asking why we don’t look at other causes, well, you are right we should look at the whole picture. When you look at the whole picture, you will realize the insult vaccines have on the immune system. Many of our children no longer have the ability to filter environmental pollution and this is realized by the high levels of toxic heavy metals in their systems. Unlike us, their little bodies are unable to get rid of all the toxins. We want this to change, we want the vaccination insults on the immune system to stop. Money needs to be poured into research on a safer, healthier vaccination schedule instead of mass production, line-em-up and shoot-em-up operations. There are certain children who should never receive vaccinations and there needs to be some way to screen kids for it. My children deserved better and their children deserve better.

By the way, mine and my husband’s families have absolutely no history of speech delays or mental disorders.

April 6, 2008 at 3:59 am
(26) carolyn says:

ok, so i don’t have autism and i don’t have children but i’ve read all these postings

some years ago, my cousin’s wife (a grown woman) had a flu shot and was paralysed, wheelchair bound for a year. you might remember that there was a “bad batch” of vaccines that year and this happened to quite a few people

needless to say, i have never had a flu shot. i take cod liver oil and sometimes i get the flu. big deal! i get a fever and aches and i stay home for a few days, which is preferable to being in a wheelchair for a year

as a child in the early 50’s, i had the few then routine vaccinations. i also got measles and mumps, like every kid did in my day. we were quarenteened at home and when we returned to school, we were immune (i actually had mumps on only half my body and can still potentially get them on the other half)

kids in my generation routinely had their tonsils out- it was like a right of passage. i remember classmates talking about how great it was to eat ice cream in the hospital. i must be one of the few people in my age group (54) who still has my tonsils and my appendix. the automatic removal of tonsils for no reason other than to provide revenue for hospitals has gone out of fashion

to those who blindly believe what doctors tell them and that the FDA is a watchdog for the people, please remember Vioxx and the other widely prescribed drug that was recently removed from the market after it was discovered that the pharmaceutical company had falsified the data that led to its FDA approval in the first place.

think about texas, where the governor was willing to sign into legislation a bill that would force all female children to be vaccinated for HPV as a condition of their attendence in school! HPV is not an air borne disease that will run rampant through the schools. cervical cancer is easily caught by routine PAP smears. this is a disease that requires a vaccination ONLY because MERCK came up with one and needed a captive market to make up for their losses on Vioxx. an entire generation of young girls would be used as involuntary lab rats

i’ve recently had a friend’s oncologist tell me that he knew nothing about nutrition but he was sure that radiation and chemo were “safe and effective” because they were approved by the FDA! when i called him on that stupid remark, he did admit that they were actually very dangerous treatments and that they increased the risk in whatever lucky survivors there might be of getting secondary cancers a few years hence. that’s what i call job security!

my friend’s other doctor told him that while nutrition based doctors would advise taking vitamin B for his low red blood cell count, she could acheive the same results with a blood transfusion! could it be that the insurance payment for a transfusion is greater than it is for a mere B12 shot? needless to say, i smuggled vitamin B into the hospital and in 2 weeks his levels are rising and the doctor is no longer considering a transfusion.

remember DES given to women to prevent miscarriages and the cancers that showed up 20 years later in their daughters?

remember that the military handed sun glasses to soldiers in nevada and told them to cover their eyes when they witnessed nuclear tests. remember the flagrant disregard for the “down winders.”

remember that President Clinton publicly apologized on behalf of the nation for the pultonium that was mixed into the oatmeal fed to institutionalized children a few decades ago.

remember that they had x-rays in shoe stores. i have a friend who has a shriveled left side and a claw for a hand. her mother was an x-ray technician (and pregnant) in the days when x-rays were considered safe for general use

the point is that doctors are often wrong and that science can be driven by profit. someone said in the postings that “science is science.” in fact science changes its “mind” as often as a rock star changes hair color. bleeding was the “science” of its day. read the history of any disease. you will find many scientifically proven treatments that were routinely prescribed until they went out of fashion, sometimes because they were replaced by something that was more effective or more costly and sometimes because they created more victims than they cured!

the research done before a new drug is approved is never of long enough duration to show the effects that will become manifest only with the fullness of time

i have no doubt that a connection between autism and the chemicals in childhood vaccines will ultimately be established. it just makes sense

and when that day comes, there will be spin and back pedaling and public relations people working overtime to make everything “nice”

meanwhile, kudos to jenny mccarthy for saying BULLSH*T on television to an “expert.” my jaw hit the floor. i loved it!

April 10, 2008 at 12:23 am
(27) Steve W says:

Dr. Wakefield, the originator of the MMR-autism scare has without any doubt been discredited and it is now very clear that he had a clear profit motive for publishing his journal paper – money. You can easily find the information online and a very credible journalist led the investigation against Wakefield, Brian Deer. I’m not mentioning this to say that there isn’t a vaccine autism connection. I firmly believe that there IS one, but it wasn’t for the reasons and claims made by Wakefield. Wakefield’s rigged study did a tremendous amount of harm not only to the benefits of vaccines by dissuading parents from vaccinating their kids, but ! his selfish motives sent millions of dollars of research, time, and energy on a wild goose chase. In my humble opinion, I believe that one of the key factors is the vaccine schedule. 36 vaccines for infant babies just goes against common sense. In all the wasted effort of the 14 or so studies, not a single one of them looked into the possibility of the vaccine schedule being the culprit. It should be noted that Mr. Wakefield is being investigated in the UK by the GMC (General Medical Council, the UK’s version of our AMA) and will likely lose his medical license to practice there – this is happening right now so it is current news. To fund his lavish lifestyle, Mr. Wakefield, has focused his attention on scamming the American people by setting up shop in Texas and continuing to milk his 15 minutes of fame. Sadly and unfortunately, there are many attentive ears and there are even some powerful autism groups that list him as a hero. They couldn’t be more wrong.

July 15, 2008 at 1:26 pm
(28) Jenny says:

The Wakefield study has been duplicated in 2000 by University of Utah PHd Dr. Vijendra K. Singh. He submitted his result in a Congresional hearing. Anyone can find this comprehensive and scientific study by googling the web. He has found a link between Autism and the measles vaccine. Below is his colisng statement to Congress:

In summary, the rapidly accumulating evidence strongly implicates autoimmunity in autism, which in many may result from a vaccine injury. There is a possibility of an atypical measles infection in autism, but the evidence also suggests a MMR vaccine infection. Without any reservation, I would strongly recommend that this Congressional Committee reviews all the information in bipartisanship, and explore the possibility that drug companies never properly evaluated the safety of vaccines in the first place. If this indeed were true then it becomes imperative that we as a society must pay an immediate attention to this problem; otherwise, an epidemic of autism is a real good possibility. There should be no mistaking about it because autism is on a sharp rise and vaccinations, especially the extra-immunization, could potentially explain this rise. The onset of autism (or autistic regression) post-immunization should no longer be regarded as merely a coincidence with the timing of the vaccinations, as our federal health officials continue to do. We must find new ways to curve adverse effects of vaccines, including autism. Considering a population of 500,000 cases of autism in the United States, the autoimmunity research, but not the genetic research, has already had a great impact on the health and welfare of autistic people. Since brain autoimmunity is found in up to 85% of cases, it can potentially help an estimated 425,000 Americans. Indeed, many of them are already reaping the benefits of the experimental autoimmune therapy. Thus there is an urgent need to promote autoimmunity research in autism. This recommendation is in contrast to the opinions held by the directors of the federal agencies and major private foundations (Cure Autism Now and National Alliance for Autism Research) who are erroneously committed themselves to fund genetic research only. Finally, I urge the Government Reform Committee to provide leadership for new solutions to the existing problems surrounding autism research, and request the Committee Members to be visionary and offer new hope to the people with autism — The essence of life is to care.

September 9, 2008 at 5:51 pm
(29) Chris says:

The problem with the “There’s more autism, there’s more vaccines, therefore, the autism is likely due to the vaccinations” reasoning is threefold. First – why vaccines? There’s more Starbucks, more cell phones, more soccer leagues, heck, more organic food. Saying that one causing the other is logically flawed – particularly when you look at studies in Europe and Japan showing no difference in autism rates between kids who did and did not get MMR. Second, there’s still debate over how much more autism we’re seeing – certainly, a lot of the difference is awareness. There may have been some increase (that’s not clear) but the majority of the increase is accounted for by the fact that people recognize and diagnose autism better now. Finally, one thing that never gets addressed by groups like GR – the number of injections are meaningless. If a grop wants to claim that the shots are causing problems, let’s look at how much is actually in each shot. Currently, kids get about 130 proteins in the shots recommended before 2. In 1980, that number was over 3000. If someone wants to claim that we’re overwhelming the immune system, explain why it%

January 17, 2009 at 4:13 pm
(30) Alison says:

MYTH: “Mercury was taken out of all vaccines in 2001.”

NOT TRUE. Yes, in 2001, the pharmaceutical companies began PRODUCING vaccines without thimerosal. But vaccines manufactured prior to 2001 continued to be sold until they were used up.

My daughter was nearly given a thimerosal-containing vaccine in 2003–and the nurse INSISTED that all vaccines were thimerosal-free–until I asked for the package insert and showed her the thimerosal clearly listd as an ingredient.

In addition, the flu shot still contains thimerosal AND IS NOW BEING RECOMMENDED FOR ALL PREGNANT WOMENA AND ALL CHILDREN OVER 6 MONTHS OF AGE, EVERY YEAR.

So the mercury poisoning continues, despite the marketing blitz to the contrary from the pharm industry.

Notice, also, that they are now recommending that we eat more fish, including the easily available and affordable tuna–which is high in mercury. This is in direct opposition to previous thought that there was too much mercury in tuna to be safe for children to eat more than occasionally.

July 15, 2009 at 12:15 pm
(31) Marsha says:

I have 2 children with autism
One was vaccinated( MMR and all)
The other one did not receive any vaccine at all?
This MMR causes autism theory, I supported it 100% until I watched my second sons drafting way….

August 31, 2009 at 2:14 am
(32) Nicole says:

Does anyone have a way to contact Andrew Wakefield? I would like to discuss the possibility of liver overload in autism. I think this needs to be researched more. I have done some research on my own and found it is something worth exploring. I am a family practice Physician Assistant and Microbiologist. Please let me know of any contact info. Thank you. Nicole

October 22, 2009 at 11:12 pm
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February 2, 2010 at 12:22 pm
(34) BN says:

Does the most recent news about Dr. Wakefield’s research ethics should discredit him for good? Which leaves us with just Dr. McCarthy.

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